Yes, you are right, but as I said before, the only option
I found is locating the
secondary copy on the Secure Zone:
Why would I want to place 2 copies of a backup in the
same location?
I am not sure if I understand what you are trying to do.
Why not verify then reboot instead of Reboot then verify?
You could create a script to verify that you place in
startup folder…
--
Joseph Biran
____________________________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Yuki Taga
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:55 PM
To: J. Biran
Subject: Re: [amibroker] [OT] Acronis True Image and system backup [was Re: Re:
Curing AmiBroker slowdowns with a system restore]
For the secondary copy, go to Tools -> Options ->
Default Backup
Options -> Dual Destination. There is a browse
box there to set it.
I don't think you can specify a "default
destination", but of course
you definitely can do it if you make a schedule -- even a
schedule
that you would run manually rather than automate.
As you page
through the dialogs, you can set the destination.
For Acronis' part,
they "remember" where your last destination
was, and that is usually
offered. I'm not sure I even like that -- having
the name of the
archive already entered in the dialog box when I get to
it.
My biggest gripe with the program to date: There is an
option to run
a command after a backup operation. Say you want to
reboot, or
remove a piece of hardware. But rather insanely,
this option means
exactly what it says ^_^ which means that if you tick
"validate the
archive after creation", it will NOT happen if you
run a command like
reboot, or remove hardware, because Acronis rather
unbelievably
considers "after the backup" to mean
immediately after the backup
part of a single, seamless operation that includes
validate, rather
than "at the end of the scheduled task".
Somebody there is really in
need of a serious clue. I could not believe this
line of thinking
when I discovered it. It's exactly what they say
(after the backup
creation), but it's so silly that it would interrupt and
prevent a
schedule from completing that it's absurd. There is
no option to
delay the command until "after the scheduled task
completes".
Brain-lock, I think.
So if you want to run a command like that, you have to
have a
separate verify later. That could be scheduled of
course, but not
very precisely if you don't know exactly how long the
backup will
take. And if you do full on the weekend and
incremental the rest of
the time, backup time will vary significantly of course.
I have complained to Acronis about this.
Still, in the end, we want accuracy and reliability,
probably above
anything else. I've been using the program since it
debuted. I have
never, not even once, been unable to validate, or mount,
or restore
an archive. I have heard that others have had a
problem now or then.
But I have not. (One problem is apparently that
some later versions
cannot read older archives, but then I would anticipate
something
like that, even though I haven't experienced it, and I
would expect
to read very old archives with the newest versions.
I'd restore the
data and recreate the archive in question with a new
version.) Best
of all, I have never run a restore on a system partition
and had that
partition fail to boot -- even a "system
partition" that was created
in WmWare, archived, and then restored to a physical
drive. So my
confidence level in the program is pretty high.
I can't believe I used to put up with SCSI DAT tapes and
Backup Exec.
(confidence level = not as high) ^_^
Yuki
Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:47:12 PM, you wrote:
JB> Thanks.
JB> I figured out first question, when you actually go
do a
JB> backup you CAN specify a destination.
JB> What is strange you can not specify this in the
default
JB> properties of the backup.
JB> The second question of how to specify destination
of
JB> secondary copy I haven't figured out.
JB> I did a test run and compared to Norton's Ghost
(14), TI is
JB> slower and compression is worse
JB> (when set to max compression and encryption). But
JB> reliability is more of my concern..
JB> FYI.
JB> As far as RAID is concerned, it is a built in RAID
of the
JB> motherboard. In the many years of using
JB> a computer I had 2 occasions that high quality HD
failed.
JB> Just replacing the failed drive (part
JB> of a RAID1 array) fixed the problem with little
hassle.
JB> --
JB> Joseph Biran
JB> ____________________________________________
JB> -----Original Message-----
JB> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
JB> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Yuki Taga
JB> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:04 PM
JB> To: J. Biran
JB> Subject: Re: [amibroker] [OT] Acronis True Image
and system
JB> backup [was Re: Re: Curing AmiBroker slowdowns
with a system
JB> restore]
JB> No, my only RAID is external.
JB> The power supply problem is one reason I keep a
weekly
JB> completely
JB> offline.
JB> Your experience reinforces my belief that these
systems are
JB> too
JB> complex to mess with when it comes to simply
getting up and
JB> running.
JB> No RAID, no third-party boot loaders, just a
simple MBR that
JB> is going
JB> to get me into the system partition.
JB> Let me play around and see what I can find out
about the
JB> rest.
JB> I am considering breaking my RAID and running it
as two
JB> independent
JB> drives. I would then think about putting a
Secure Zone on
JB> one and
JB> using the other for a secondary backup
location. The reason
JB> is that,
JB> once in a while, TI seems to have some problem
cleanly or
JB> completely
JB> disconnecting from the RAID setup. There is
nothing wrong
JB> with those
JB> drives at all, and the only time any error ever
shows up in
JB> the logs
JB> is after TI has accessed the externals. So I
am thinking
JB> about
JB> making that much of a change.
JB> Yuki
JB> Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:49:21 AM, you wrote:
JB> JB> No, I meant restore an image file (from a
WinXP pro
JB> system
JB> JB> on a raid partition) back onto the same
raid partition.
JB> JB> Is your C: partition on a RAID1 drive? Or
is it only
JB> your
JB> JB> external USB HD?
JB> JB> My computer HD system is organized as one
small (75GB)
JB> and
JB> JB> fast (10krpm) RAID1 system drive, and one
larger (500GB)
JB> JB> RAID1 drive for files, and backups. I also
have an
JB> external
JB> JB> eSATA/USB single (not RAID) 500GB HD for a
global
JB> secondary
JB> JB> backup location of all my computers. This
external HD is
JB> JB> only switched on when I do a backup.
Otherwise I
JB> physically
JB> JB> switch it off. (I have a friend who lost
all his RAID5
JB> JB> system and drives when his power supply
failed an fried
JB> the
JB> JB> computer). So, maybe your "Auto"
setting has some use
JB> after
JB> JB> all.
JB> JB> I prefer to create an initial clean system
install with
JB> a
JB> JB> few applications as possible except for
firewall/AV and
JB> JB> updates, customized menus, folder locations
themes etc.
JB> I
JB> JB> back up this initial installation and keep
it always.
JB> JB> I did not change anything in the system. I
had WinXP pro
JB> SP2
JB> JB> installed on RAID1, and backed up
regularly. Then a few
JB> JB> months ago I tried to install SP3 and
everything fell
JB> apart.
JB> JB> I could not restore back the images I had
of SP2, and
JB> spent
JB> JB> 2 weeks trying to figure out where the
problem came from
JB> JB> (replacing everything from motherboard,
memory and HD).
JB> Not
JB> JB> much fun!. After restoring the image the
system would
JB> not
JB> JB> boot. I found out by coincidence that if I
disable the
JB> RAID1
JB> JB> in the BIOS my system would boot ok. The
only solution
JB> was
JB> JB> to start from scratch.
JB> JB> Ever since than I am leery about my
backups.
JB> JB> I downloaded the demo version of the server
version of
JB> IT.
JB> JB> what I find disturbing is I can figure out
how to
JB> specify
JB> JB> the destination of the backup unless I use
the "secure
JB> zone"
JB> JB> partition (which I would like to avoid) and
I can't
JB> figure
JB> JB> out how to specify a secondary backup
location if it is
JB> on a
JB> JB> partition other that C: (I only can select
a folder not
JB> a
JB> JB> drive).
JB> JB> If you have any info on these 2 items and
it is
JB> possible,
JB> JB> your inputs will save me some time...
JB> JB> --
JB> JB> Joseph Biran
JB> JB>
____________________________________________
JB> JB> -----Original Message-----
JB> JB> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
JB> JB> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yuki
JB> Taga
JB> JB> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:18 AM
JB> JB> To: J. Biran
JB> JB> Subject: Re: [amibroker] [OT] Acronis True
Image and
JB> system
JB> JB> backup [was Re: Re: Curing AmiBroker slowdowns
with a
JB> system
JB> JB> restore]
JB> JB> I have successfully restored systems from
the RAID1
JB> drives,
JB> JB> yes.
JB> JB> (You said "restore onto" but I
think you meant "restore
JB> JB> from", yes?)
JB> JB> In fact, after many, many years (I think
since 2002), I
JB> JB> finally
JB> JB> decided to do a clean install of XP.
(Photoshop CS4
JB> would
JB> JB> *not*
JB> JB> install, because of some legacy Adobe and
Macromedia
JB> stuff,
JB> JB> and even
JB> JB> their tech support finally threw up their
hands and
JB> JB> suggested I
JB> JB> reinstall the OS.)
JB> JB> The first thing I did was to clean install
XP to a
JB> virtual
JB> JB> machine,
JB> JB> making sure it was fully updated,
fire-walled and
JB> JB> anti-virused. Then
JB> JB> I installed some key apps, including
Photoshop and AB.
JB> JB> There were
JB> JB> absolutely no problems. When I had
all my myriad custom
JB> JB> settings
JB> JB> matched in both the real and virtual
systems, I backed
JB> up
JB> JB> the virtual
JB> JB> machine to the USB RAID setup, and with a
full system
JB> backup
JB> JB> there,
JB> JB> too, (just in case) I attempted to use
Universal Restore
JB> to
JB> JB> restore
JB> JB> the VM XP system partition to my real
system partition.
JB> JB> Absolutely no problems whatsoever.
(It's been about 3
JB> weeks
JB> JB> now, and
JB> JB> I haven't yet nuked the old system backup,
but I'm
JB> getting
JB> JB> ready to.)
JB> JB> If your backup destination is a network
drive, I suspect
JB> you
JB> JB> would
JB> JB> have to have the server version of the
software, but I
JB> am
JB> JB> not
JB> JB> positive about that. Maybe not; maybe
just the
JB> workstation
JB> JB> version,
JB> JB> but I doubt that the home version of
Acronis will do it.
JB> JB> There is at least one other thing I know
that you might
JB> need
JB> JB> to
JB> JB> consider: The two versions of XP (Home and
Pro) are not
JB> JB> equal. It is
JB> JB> impossible, for example, to install the TI
Agent on Home
JB> JB> versions.
JB> JB> So you may have some trouble doing what you
want
JB> JB> network-wise if you
JB> JB> have the Home version of XP. You can
find a lot of
JB> JB> information about
JB> JB> this stuff at the Acronis site.
JB> JB> I'm surprised you could even try a restore
once you
JB> changed
JB> JB> the RAID
JB> JB> configuration. Usually, changing RAID
configurations
JB> wipes
JB> JB> all the
JB> JB> drives. But maybe I did not
understand what you did.
JB> JB> The newest USB RAID setups can be
configured to run
JB> either
JB> JB> on 'Auto'
JB> JB> or 'Manual'. And I don't even know
why anyone would
JB> JB> consider 'Auto'.
JB> JB> The auto setting (it's a toggle switch on
back of the
JB> unit
JB> JB> with mine)
JB> JB> means that the unit is powered up *ONLY* when
it is
JB> getting
JB> JB> a USB
JB> JB> signal from the OS. Yes, this means
that when you
JB> remove
JB> JB> the device
JB> JB> with Windows safe removal option, the OS
stops sending a
JB> USB
JB> JB> signal
JB> JB> there, so the device powers off automatically,
even
JB> though
JB> JB> the power
JB> JB> switch is in the ON position. I find
this really odd.
JB> You
JB> JB> have to
JB> JB> switch OFF, then back ON to power up the
unit again, or
JB> JB> reboot.
JB> JB> But booting with the setup on auto is an
odd experience.
JB> JB> Apparently
JB> JB> the OS (or the BIOS, or something during
boot) sends,
JB> then
JB> JB> stops
JB> JB> sending, then finally again sends a USB
signal. So the
JB> JB> device will
JB> JB> shutoff, then come on, then shutoff again,
then once
JB> again
JB> JB> power on.
JB> JB> Very disconcerting to me.
JB> JB> More importantly, it seems to bother the
Acronis
JB> recovery
JB> JB> program run
JB> JB> from a boot CD. If you leave the unit
on auto, for some
JB> JB> reason
JB> JB> Acronis does not seem to see it until you
power off and
JB> then
JB> JB> power on
JB> JB> again, being sure to power on while the
"Loading
JB> Acronis"
JB> JB> message is
JB> JB> displayed on the screen. But in manual
(drive always on
JB> JB> unless you
JB> JB> flip the power switch), it's apparently
seen immediately
JB> by
JB> JB> the
JB> JB> Acronis program when it loads from
boot. The problem
JB> seems
JB> JB> to be
JB> JB> that after initially getting a USB signal
at some point
JB> JB> during the
JB> JB> boot (power to the unit then goes ON), the
signal then
JB> is
JB> JB> cut when
JB> JB> the bootable CD is detected, which cuts the
power to the
JB> USB
JB> JB> unit
JB> JB> just when you want the now-loading recovery
program to
JB> JB> detect it. No
JB> JB> thanks; I don't want to play around like
that. At
JB> first, I
JB> JB> thought
JB> JB> the recovery program was never going to be
able to read
JB> that
JB> JB> RAID
JB> JB> setup, and that I had a real problem.
But I finally
JB> figured
JB> JB> it all
JB> JB> out with a little trial and error, and the
manual from
JB> the
JB> JB> RAID gear
JB> JB> explaining Auto and Manual. Default
was Auto. As I
JB> say, no
JB> JB> thanks.
JB> JB> I just think I'd rather turn the drive off
myself when I
JB> JB> want it off
JB> JB> -- one can configure these drives with
either cache
JB> enabled
JB> JB> (*potentially* better performance, but the
possibility
JB> of
JB> JB> data loss
JB> JB> if you do a hot unplug) or disabled (I
think my
JB> performance
JB> JB> is the
JB> JB> same because when my system is writing to
that setup I
JB> have
JB> JB> nothing
JB> JB> else going on, so there is not really any
need for the
JB> JB> system to
JB> JB> cache anything anyway), which allows you to
unplug the
JB> drive
JB> JB> without
JB> JB> any warning or preparation, assuming you
are not going
JB> to
JB> JB> unplug it
JB> JB> in the middle of a backup operation, of
course. ^_^
JB> JB> I've heard horror stories about Ghost, but
some people
JB> swear
JB> JB> by it of
JB> JB> course. Since they insist on .NET
now, I have no need
JB> to
JB> JB> even review
JB> JB> the product.
JB> JB> Yuki
JB> JB> Sunday, January 4, 2009, 4:00:35 PM, you
wrote:
JB> JB> JB> Yuki,
JB> JB> JB> Did you have the opportunity to
actually use Acronis
JB> JB> True
JB> JB> JB> Image to restore your complete
system (bare metal
JB> JB> restore)
JB> JB> JB> onto the raid1 drive you use?
JB> JB> JB> The reason for my question is that I
was using
JB> Norton
JB> JB> Ghost
JB> JB> JB> and felt secure until I needed to
restore my system
JB> from
JB> JB> an
JB> JB> JB> image I created (from a raid1 HD).
It failed to
JB> restore
JB> JB> to
JB> JB> JB> the same raid1 drive but if I
disabled the raid
JB> JB> everything
JB> JB> JB> functioned ok. I had to start
reinstalling windows
JB> from
JB> JB> JB> scratch in order to keep my raid
configuration ;(
JB> JB> JB> Also, does Acronis True Image work
with a backup
JB> JB> destination
JB> JB> JB> that is a network drive? (this would
apply to a
JB> backup
JB> JB> of a
JB> JB> JB> laptop).
JB> JB> JB> --
JB> JB> JB> Joseph Biran
JB> JB> JB> ____________________________________________
JB> JB> JB> -----Original Message-----
JB> JB> JB> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx On
Behalf Of Yuki
JB> Taga
JB> JB> JB> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009
4:04 PM
JB> JB> JB> To: Lester Vanhoff
JB> JB> JB> Subject: Acronis True Image Re:
[amibroker] Re: Re:
JB> JB> Curing
JB> JB> JB> AmiBroker slowdowns with a system
restore
JB> JB> JB> Lester, on what do you base your
claim that USB
JB> drives
JB> JB> are
JB> JB> JB> any less reliable than others?
I've got a Buffalo
JB> twin
JB> JB> 1-TB
JB> JB> JB> in a RAID1 configuration, and I've
never had a hint
JB> of
JB> JB> any
JB> JB> JB> problem. And a six-year-old
Buffalo 120 GB USB is
JB> still
JB> JB> in
JB> JB> JB> perfect operating condition, other
than the fact
JB> that I
JB> JB> JB> cannot use it for an entire system
backup anymore,
JB> JB> because
JB> JB> JB> of the size. (Thank you, 15
megabyte RAW files.)
JB> JB> JB> Also, a tip for something I
*finally* solved in
JB> JB> conjunction
JB> JB> JB> with Acronis and my backup
configuration. For a
JB> long
JB> JB> time
JB> JB> JB> with this RAID setup, I was getting
ftdisk or disk
JB> JB> errors in
JB> JB> JB> the System log, for about 1 to 2
hours after a
JB> nightly
JB> JB> JB> backup was completed. Then the
errors would stop
JB> (about
JB> JB> 5
JB> JB> JB> am in the morning). I could
not solve it until I
JB> JB> finally
JB> JB> JB> looked at each and every item in
Tools > Options >
JB> JB> Default
JB> JB> JB> Backup Options > Additional
Settings. Unchecked by
JB> JB> default,
JB> JB> JB> is a line item: "Dismount media
after backup is
JB> JB> finished".
JB> JB> JB> I checked that, and from that moment
on I never had
JB> JB> another
JB> JB> JB> ftdisk or disk error in the System
log. I should
JB> add
JB> JB> here
JB> JB> JB> that the errors did not mean
anything -- the data
JB> was
JB> JB> fine.
JB> JB> JB> Oddly enough, as far as Windows is
concerned, the
JB> USB
JB> JB> drives
JB> JB> JB> are still mounted in the
morning. So the "dismount"
JB> JB> must be
JB> JB> JB> Acronis from the drives, rather than
the drives from
JB> JB> JB> Windows. But I think Acronis
ought to fix this so
JB> that
JB> JB> it
JB> JB> JB> doesn't spit out dozens upon dozens
of yellow
JB> triangles
JB> JB> in
JB> JB> JB> the log. (Why the default
would be not to dismount
JB> JB> prior to
JB> JB> JB> program close, I cannot imagine.)
They could
JB> overhaul
JB> JB> that
JB> JB> JB> interface, too. The sub
windows (such as the one
JB> you
JB> JB> get to
JB> JB> JB> above) are much too small and don't
stay sized, and
JB> JB> resizing
JB> JB> JB> them has an clunky feel about
it. When I "drill
JB> down",
JB> JB> I
JB> JB> JB> like to see where I've been, as well
as where I am
JB> and
JB> JB> where
JB> JB> JB> I'm going. ^_^
JB> JB> JB> Excellent program however.
I've accomplished
JB> numerous
JB> JB> JB> restores and never had a bit or a
byte out of place
JB> to
JB> JB> my
JB> JB> JB> knowledge. That's what we pay
for: peace of mind.
JB> JB> JB> I'll add that in your "the way
it works"
JB> explanation,
JB> JB> maybe
JB> JB> JB> you forgot to say that one has a
choice, too, of
JB> either
JB> JB> JB> restoring entire partitions, or just
restoring files
JB> or
JB> JB> JB> folders. And in the later case
it's sometimes just
JB> as
JB> JB> easy,
JB> JB> JB> or even easier, to simply mount the
image and do a
JB> JB> manual
JB> JB> JB> copy across, than to sort through
all the dialog
JB> options
JB> JB> for
JB> JB> JB> a restore.
JB> JB> JB> BTW, I've always had an uneasy
feeling about the
JB> Secure
JB> JB> Zone
JB> JB> JB> feature of Acronis. To me,
that just adds one more
JB> JB> layer of
JB> JB> JB> complexity between a restore and the
data. (If, for
JB> any
JB> JB> JB> reason, TI cannot solve the Secure
Zone -- that it
JB> JB> exists on
JB> JB> JB> the drive -- then I cannot see how
it can possibly
JB> JB> restore
JB> JB> JB> the data that resides there, nor can
I see how one
JB> could
JB> JB> use
JB> JB> JB> the OS to make that data visible to
the
JB> JB> JB> program.) So I never used it and
still don't. But
JB> TI
JB> JB> has
JB> JB> JB> never failed to restore (never had
an unreadable
JB> JB> backup), so
JB> JB> JB> I have no particular reason to think
it might fail
JB> to
JB> JB> JB> decipher the Secure Zone.
JB> JB> JB> I just like to keep things as simple
as possible.
JB> JB> JB> Finally, I never bother to verify my
images after
JB> JB> writing
JB> JB> JB> them anymore. First, I've
never had an image that
JB> did
JB> JB> not
JB> JB> JB> verify, and second, according to
posters on Acronis
JB> JB> forums,
JB> JB> JB> a verified image still is no
guarantee that the
JB> image
JB> JB> can be
JB> JB> JB> restored or mounted. So I
don't bother with
JB> verifying
JB> JB> now.
JB> JB> JB> (The verify process only verifies
that *all* data on
JB> the
JB> JB> JB> image can be read; it does *not*
compare data on the
JB> JB> image
JB> JB> JB> with source data.)
JB> JB> JB> Yuki
JB> JB> JB> Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:24:26 AM,
you wrote:
>>>>> I can take a product like this and
save my complete
JB> hard
JB> JB> JB> drive on say
>>>>> a usb hard drive and it will
automaticly backup the
JB> JB> JB> complete hard
>>>>> drive when ever I want it to do it.
JB> JB> JB> LV> 1) The backup can be stored
on your disk, in the
JB> JB> secure
JB> JB> JB> partition
JB> JB> JB> LV> which is not visible to
Windows XP / Vista. On
JB> the
JB> JB> JB> screenshot below
JB> JB> JB> LV> it is shown as "Logical
Disk - Unknown (BC) and
JB> has
JB> JB> no
JB> JB> JB> drive letter:
JB> JB> JB> LV>
JB> JB> JB>
JB> JB>
JB>
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7749/01032009160435kv5.pn
JB> JB> JB> g
JB> JB> JB> LV> 2) Another method is to store
the backup on an
JB> JB> external
JB> JB> JB> hard drive.
JB> JB> JB> LV> USB drive is not a good idea
because they are
JB> not
JB> JB> very
JB> JB> JB> reliable.
>>>>> Then if I have hard drive problems,
I can put the copy
JB> JB> JB> that is on the
>>>>> [external] hard drive on my machine
hard drive and it
JB> JB> JB> will be just
>>>>> like it was, with all programs and
files the same as
JB> the
JB> JB> JB> last backup?
JB> JB> JB> LV> That's right. The backup copy
has it's own
JB> mini-OS
JB> JB> (it
JB> JB> JB> doesn't need
JB> JB> JB> LV> Windows). You boot into the
external drive (or
JB> into
JB> JB> the
JB> JB> JB> secure
JB> JB> JB> LV> partition) and follow the
prompts.
JB> JB> JB> LV> My Windows XP takes about 8
GB of disk space and
JB> JB> JB> restoring all this
JB> JB> JB> LV> from Acronis secure partition
takes about 4
JB> minutes.
>>>>> This type of software is something
everyone should
JB> have.
JB> JB> JB> LV> Absolutely correct.
>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----
>>>>> From: Lester Vanhoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft's System
Restore is very unreliable. It's
JB> JB> JB> just dumb luck
>>>>> that it worked for you.
Consider getting a disk
JB> JB> imaging
JB> JB> JB> application
>>>>> and do the disk image
backup every day. One of the
JB> JB> best
JB> JB> JB> programs is
>>>>> Acronis True Image, I've
been using it for years. The
JB> JB> JB> way it works,
>>>>> when you get into a
problem, it wipes out (formats)
JB> JB> the
JB> JB> JB> whole disk
>>>>> (or selected
partitions), including your operating
JB> JB> JB> system, and then
>>>>> restores everything from
the backup image.
>>>>>
>>>>>
JB> JB> JB>
JB>
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
JB> JB>
JB> JB> ------------------------------------
JB> JB> **** IMPORTANT ****
JB> JB> This group is for the discussion between
users only.
JB> JB> This is *NOT* technical support channel.
JB> JB> *********************
JB> JB> TO GET TECHNICAL SUPPORT from AmiBroker
please send an
JB> JB> e-mail directly to
JB> JB> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
JB> JB> *********************
JB> JB> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other
news always
JB> check
JB> JB> DEVLOG:
JB> JB> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
JB> JB> For other support material please check
also:
JB> JB> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
JB> JB> *********************************
JB> JB> Yahoo! Groups Links
JB>
JB> ------------------------------------
JB> **** IMPORTANT ****
JB> This group is for the discussion between users
only.
JB> This is *NOT* technical support channel.
JB> *********************
JB> TO GET TECHNICAL SUPPORT from AmiBroker please
send an
JB> e-mail directly to
JB> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
JB> *********************
JB> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news
always check
JB> DEVLOG:
JB> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
JB> For other support material please check also:
JB> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
JB> *********************************
JB> Yahoo! Groups Links
------------------------------------
**** IMPORTANT ****
This group is for the discussion between users only.
This is *NOT* technical support channel.
*********************
TO GET TECHNICAL SUPPORT from AmiBroker please send an
e-mail directly to
SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
*********************
For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
For other support material please check also:
http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
*********************************
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/
<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/join
(Yahoo! ID required)
<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:amibroker-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:amibroker-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
to:
amibroker-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/