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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle15><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bryce has put in a
request to join RT but as its being processed now here is something he asked me
to send to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got
your wish. I shall now prove that you don't know what you are talking about
which will surely reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert.
Please see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post. </span></font><font
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To RealTraders:</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Norman thankyou for your eloquence in
explaining Gann's use of astrology in his charts but you forgot to mention what
he was plotting other than the position of Mars and Jupiter. I studied that
chart you refer to 15 years ago so I am well versed with it.</span></font><font
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Those Jupiter and Mars positions on the
Bean Chart are PLANETS POSITION VERSUS PRICE and I admit the crossovers
represent conjunctions and oppositions. Seems like your interpretation of Gann
is different to mine as I believe Gann was observing rather than trading off
those planetary positions.</span></font><font color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I have back tested planets positions
against price and came to the conclusion that if you used that simple approach
demonstrated in the Gann chart you refer to you may get a COT about 10% of the
time. And that reduces Gann's astrology approach to hit and miss. </span></font><font
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Therefore if you want to get the most out
of Gann you should take note of his statement, "I have discovered the true
vibration of the market, it is a natural law."</span></font><font
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>To explain, He was referring to the
actual price in time movements relating to each individual market. Each market
creates its own vibrations. And to track them you use geometry not planets.</span></font><font
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Norman thankyou for the gracious offer to
take me on as a student, I won't need to take that offer up but maybe you might
consider becoming a student of mine and learn what geometry is all about.</span></font><font
color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>respectfully,</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bryce</span></font><font color=black
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Subject: [RT] Re: Of boxes, vectors, pivots and S/R lines
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Status:
Speaking of back-testing, how does one do that without spending thousands of
bucks on back-testing systems??
I may be deaf but I know a deaf and a blind dumb man does not trade by sense
of smell.. He trades by what he feels. i.e.,, my feet is sure warmer when
someone put the shoes on.. I think I shall keep the shoes... rather than
smell the shoes..::))
Of all successful traders I have read or heard about including the members
of this list, they all share ONE simple trait. These traders just love to
trade.. Despite of the difference btwn each trader's methods, each also
share a simple common faith that their method works for them.. So I think
that is the key to a successful trading system be it astro,
gann,probabilities,the funnymentals or whatever.. I sure hope Im not
copying exact word for word from Marty Schwartz's book.. but you get the
idea..
For the first time in mankind's history, this list represent people that
came from all over the world. I only can guess or promise you this that
there WILL be people be creating or inventing NEW ideas out of this list...
regards
Gary Bodnar
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent <brente@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Real Traders <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:50 PM
Subject: [RT] Re: Of boxes, vectors, pivots and S/R lines
>Using the proof that anything that is back-tested is not subjective or
>interpretive would mean that I can back-test Gann, Elloit, etc. and it no
>longer would be subjective or interpretive. Which is not too far from the
>truth because if these things didn't work on past charts as well as
present,
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