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Hello,
No, it was not #1239 alone, the "blank
area" extension was subject to following
suggestions:
#1516, #1500, #1239, #982, #808, #561, #430
They were mostly duplicates.
They all spoke about blank area but each in a different
way.
That's the problem - everyone wants it different and you
can not please everyone.
Therefore I have to come up with solution that addresses all
often contradicting and inconsistent
suggestions in a way that make sense (more or
less).
If I were implementing things exactly in a way people
suggested them, the program would
be complete mess because of contradictory
requirements.
Therefore you can not expect that actually yours gets
implemented
in exactly the way you wanted it to be, because there are
10000 other users and everyone has
different (opposite?) opinion.
So, the final choice is mine, and it is me who decides how to
implement it that is easy to use
for majority and makes sense for me.
I am keen to hear the feedback and it is appreciated, but you
need
to understand that the list opinion is very small portion
of all feedback I get
and there are lots of things happening off-list, so making
judgements from list activity would
not give you whole or correct picture.
I appreciate the feedback that tells if you like some
feature or not or what is bad with current solution,
however it is after all my program, so let me decide what is
implemented, when and how
and what I can mark as implemented or not.
I asked for that thousands of times and people just ignore
that.
About a week ago I added the following line to the FOOTER of
every post on this list:
Posting on the list creates huge mess as list is
disconnected.
If you use feedback center then comments are connected to the
issue you are commenting on,
if you use the list - it is just noise.
I consider this as closed subject, it has already been
decided what will be implemented.
Best
regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:35
AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Blank Space
in AmiBroker 5.21.0 BETA
Tomasz,
I am sorry if I did not understand the source of the many requests for
this feature. It had looked to me like it was for the advanced users
needing more room for their future predictions with custom AFL coding.
Going back and re-reading the requests it seems to be a mix
between programmer users who wanted more control over the blank
space and unknown programmer status users who just wanted a larger
maximum number in the preferences setting (like 365 instead of 50). My
various follow-on posts could work for both (by increasing the
maximum preference setting also).
My objections and further suggestions for the
current implementation are justified in that you marked my
suggestion # 1239 as
implimented when in fact it did not provide the minimum functionality I asked
for.
However, as I have said before and put in the original suggestion, I
would be satisfied with a variety of methods that gave the ability to have a
fixed number of pixels of space by AFL setting of number of blank bars, or any
other means. I am not stuck on an AFL coders only solution, I just
thought it would be easier to do and provide the most flexibility.
In fact, this general idea extrapolated from what sidhartha70 wrote below
is another way. Provide a way to manually lock in the maximum blank bars
on the chart by adjusting the chart where you want then doing some action to
lock the current scroll position. Sidhartha70's method below would
require a new drag chart X tool <-> since the pointer tool already has a
function for a mouse down click.
Another way would be to allow adding more blank bars only from the right
arrow of the scroll bar and not the scroll wheel. Then a right click of
the scroll bar would have an option to set the current position as the maximum
blank bars -- minimum of zero bars. That way the scroll wheel could be
used to navigate around the chart without adding more bars by mistake.
There are many different possible ways to get the minimum of suggestion
# 1239However, if you will not provide any of them this time, then it should
not be marked as implemented yet.
Best regards,
Dennis
On Feb 15, 2009, at 6:47 PM, sidhartha70 wrote:
How about something like this TJ... and obviously I write this as
a user not a programmer - so I have no idea how difficult this would
be for you to implement... I use the mouse wheel mainly to
navigate charts... or the scroll bar with the mouse. How about a per
previously, a maximum number of bars to the right margin of chart is set
by preferences, and is adhered to by mouse scroll wheel & scroll bar
operations. Additionally, there is one more way to move along the
x-axis of a chart... a chart dragging operation. When the left hand mouse
button is clicked and held, the cursor changes to a little hand, and
the chart can be dragged left or right... using this operation ONLY
the user could, on the fly, add as much room to the right hand margin
of the chart as they wanted. However, once released, any
further operations with the mouse scroll wheel or scroll bar would cause
the maximum number of bars set in preferences to come back into
force. Obviously there are kinks of operation to be ironed out... but
in principle it would allow users to, on the fly, very quickly
change between enjoying a maximum number of bars operation OR adding bars
to the right hand margin of the chart without changing another
parameter. --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx> wrote:
Hello,
You look only from "advanced" user point of view
and you represent
less than 10%
of AB users.
Contrary to your views, majority does not want
touch AFL as long as
possible.
They want more space, WITHOUT *any*
coding.
And actually the most repeating complain about
AmiBroker
is that it is "for programmers" because you need
to code.
So, no, another "coders-only" solution is not a
solution at all.
It may be add-on for advanced users, but never the
mainstream solution.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown"
<see3d@xxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34
PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Blank Space in
AmiBroker 5.21.0 BETA
Tomasz,
IMHO, having this as an AFL setting would give a
lot more value.
Perhaps something
like:
SetChartOptions(mode, Flags, gridFlags, ymin,
ymax, maxBlankBars =
BlankBarsPreferencesSetting)
If more than one pane in the chart, then the
largest number wins.
I believe something like this would satisfy all
the different
comments
I have seen expressed about this and be fully
backwards compatible.
A chart would start out as it does now with the
default number of
blank bars.
No scrolling would go beyond this
number.
If this SetChartOptions() specifies a new
number, then one of two
things happen, and I am not sure which would be
better for most
users
(option 1 would be best for
me):
1. Number of blank bars is set to the new
number for this chart
only
(all panes), or
2. Max number of blank bars is increased
to this new number, but
must
be scrolled to make it
happen.
Please consider this or something similar while
you are working on
this feature.
Best regards,
Dennis
On Feb 15, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Tomasz Janeczko
wrote:
Hello,
It is "chart" (i.e. window) specific
already.
OK, I see that this feature creates some
trouble for some of you,
so it will be optional, plus one enhancement
will be added making it
easier to revert to "normal" without switching
symbol.
Best
regards,
Tomasz
Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message
-----
From: "sidhartha70"
<sidhartha70@xxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:35
PM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: Blank Space in
AmiBroker 5.21.0 BETA
Ignore that... of course each pane has a
seperate chart ID.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@>
wrote:
Why not make it chart specific...? Under
'Axes & Grid' for
example...?
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Tomasz Janeczko"
<groups@>
wrote:
Re: [amibroker] Blank Space in AmiBroker
5.21.0
BETAHello,
To restore default - simply change the
symbol.
It can not be pane-specific because
multiple panes within one
window
share the same
scrollbar,
plus same bar within same window need to
line up with other
panes,
otherwise
vertical selector line would not work
any
more.
The scrollbar belongs to chart window,
so it is window
specific.
Best
regards,
Tomasz
Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message
-----
From:
Herman
To:
Herman
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:07
PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Blank Space in
AmiBroker 5.21.0
BETA
btw, this seems overly complex... why
can't we have a
simple
SetOption("BlankBars",n) that is
pane-specific? If users want
to
control it from the chart they can use a
Param().
I think I read some ramblings about this
topic before, sorry if
i
repeat things. Just too many emails and
not enough
time...
herman
Sunday, February 15, 2009, 8:02:53 AM,
you
wrote:
I have
rouble with the blank spaces... it seems i
can
increase them, but not decrease them, and
cannot click them back
to
their default. To get my default I have to
change ticker. I
obviously
misunderstand plain English or some
critical points are missing.
Could
someone please tell me in simple steps
what this
means:
"Blank area past
last available quote can be
now
enlarged
on
the fly by simply using > arrow in the
scroll bar (and do what?)
or
using mouse wheel (just roll the wheel
past the last bar (this
scrolls
the
chart...)"
Is
there a way to restore
defaults?
Please tell it
to me me as if I were a 3-year old
;-)
thanks,
herman
Friday, February
13, 2009, 3:25:14 PM, you
wrote:
Hello,
Thank
you very much for your detailed
and
constructive
feedback. It is
appreciated.
As
for +/-10 layers - I would need to check if
this
would not degrade performance plus I am
not sure if having 20
options
in
the Format->Z-order menu would be pleasing to
the
eye, but anyway that will be
considered.
Rectangle/ellipse
fill color - yes it is blend
of
background and study color at the time of
creation of the
study.
Subsequent
changes
of
background color don't affect already drawn
studies.
Blank
space - yes it gets reset once you switch
to
different symbol and yes it is so to
enable you actually go
back
to
"normal" once large space is no longer needed.
I
also was thinking about checkbox to switch
this off
because
as
history teaches not everyone likes
the
changes,
but
your suggestion of adding "maximum"
setting
is
even
better. Anyway I was just thinking
that
on-the-fly extension is nice to have
because it saves a lot
of
mouse
clicks
(instead
of going to Preferences over and
over
again).
As
for "pixel" dimension - I am not big fan
of
that
as
that would generate lot of headache when
coding as charts
and
scroll
bar logic is
based
on
bars everywhere in the program as "pixel" is
not
relevant and changes pretty often (zoom,
printing, copy
image,
metafile
output
-
all these have completely different
DPI).
Anyway,
something to think
over.
Best
regards,
Tomasz
Janeczko
amibroker.com
-----
Original Message
-----
From:
Dennis
Brown
To:
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent:
Friday, February 13, 2009 7:36
PM
Subject:
Re: [amibroker] AmiBroker 5.21.0 BETA
released
Tomasz,
Thank
you for providing all the new
charting
capabilities. I have much praise and
also some other feedback
from
my
first hour of use and adding the new AFL
features to my program
already.
.
X-Y co-ordinate labels on axes implemented. Can
be
controlled using View->X-Y labels
menu.
This
is great! I can now ditch the one I
just
finished writing -- LOL! Yours is
much better. I like the
shadow
effect to make it stand out
better.
.
Plot, PlotForeign and PlotOHLC now have
new
parameter zorder which defines the Z-axis
position of given
plot
.
All drawing tools now can define Z-order
(from
-5
to
+5).
This
is great, but it would be even better if it
were
-10 to +10 layers, though I could get by
with 8. 5 are enough
layers
for groups of plots, but not quite enough
for my
individual
plots,
so
I still have to break my plotting routines
from my modular
function
generation code. With 10 layers
above and below, I could have
enough
layers to make my functions truly
modular.
I
absolutely love that the default study lines
are
below the Gfx plots. My studies no
longer obscure my on-chart
button
arrays and information
tables.
.
new AFL functions
ColorBlend
This
is great! A way to select colors by
stepping
through values in a way that makes sense
to the eye. I
will
have
to
think of a way to include this in my
charts.
.
Rectangle and Ellipse drawing tool now are
by
default SOLID, with default fill color
being a blend
between
background and selected drawing color,
they are use ZOrder =
-1
(behind regular plots) by
default
This
is a great improvement! Though I must
not
understand what you mean by blend between
the background.
I
changed
chart background colors and it did not
change the color of the
oval
I
was testing... Wait, I just figured
it out. It uses the
color
of
the
background when you create the object only
and does not change
it
dynamically after
that.
.
Blank area past last available quote can be
now
enlarged on the fly by simply using >
arrow in the scroll bar or
using
mouse
wheel
This
one is causing me some difficulties. I
both
love
it and hate
it.
I
love that I can increase the space
easily.
I
hate that it has no limits and once increased,
it
becomes the new default for the position
thumb all the way to the
right.
I
hate that if the symbol is switched, it does
not
remember what it was last set to, though
that seems to be
the
only
way
to reset it back to the
default.
If
I want to increase the space, it is usually to
a
constant PIXELs of blank space so that I
can fit objects that
are
pixel based to the right of the chart in
the blank area. So
being
able to increase the blank area if I am
zooming out to many bars
is
a
good
thing.
However,
I very often use the scroll wheel to
move
back an forth in the chart during real
time trading. I
move
left
to
see some last support level for setting a
study point, then
I
give
the
scroll wheel a quick zip to get back to
the right default
position
again for trading the current bar.
With this new mode, I zip
right
past all the bars to a blank chart and am
lost in white
space.
So
this feature is causing me more problems than
not
having it at all. I don't really
need the ability to add
unlimited
white
space.
What
I need is one of the
following:
1a
A way to turn this feature off,
or
1b
A maximum amount of white space
preference
that
the
scroll wheel can't exceed -- preferably
with either bars or
pixels
options.
1a
A way to turn this feature off,
and
2b
A preferences checkbox that allows pixels
rather
than bars of default white space,
or
2c
An AFL function to set the amount of future
bars
that overrides the
default.
Thank
you for being such a great developer
that
listens to your
customers!
Best
regards,
Dennis
On
Feb 13, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Tomasz Janeczko
wrote:
Hello,
AmiBroker
5.21.0 BETA is released
now:
http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2009/02/13/amibroker-5210-beta-released/
Best
regards,
Tomasz
Janeczko
amibroker.com
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