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First - I wanted to acknowledge all the work Brian,
Herman and Al V(?) have put in the UKB and I apologize for stepping in
here late when this could have been covered before. I've put
together 2 Wordpress sites (used as a CRMs not a blog) and I know how
much work there is.
My Impressions -
I've been using AB for ? 4 years and have been
exposed to quite a lot of code. Along those lines I may have a few
tidbits to contribute to the UKB that would probably help some new
users. I felt the site was somewhat closed to a few and just
getting vetted to contribute was a significant hurdle. For
example I made an addition to one of the topics once and it
was not ackn'd. or added. Maybe cause it was trivial.
Probably there are a lot of others in the forum that have something
to contribute but feel like I do, and it could be that's why the
impression is that the UKB is stalled.
BTW, I'd vote stongly for keeping it Wordpress.
WP's use is growing exponentially as are the number of plug ins
and morphing into a CRM.
Best regards
Joe
PS: And another thing - We don't want to P... Off
another significant contributor like D.T. so lets be civil in our
discourse.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomasz Janeczko
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com
Sent: Friday, August
29, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re:
[amibroker] Re: Forum or Mailing List - please vote
Hello,
Yes, I fully support UKB in current (Wordpress)
shape.
The fact that only few post is connected with the
fact
that posting in UKB is seen as more "formal" than
unformal e-mail
communication. On the other hand this more formal
appearance
has positive side - it increases quality of
contributions.
I would always prefer few quality UKB articles than
lots of forum/list noise.
Elitetrader for example is forum-based. The amount
of "noise" there
is enormous.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxcom>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Forum or Mailing List
- please vote
> Tomasz,
>
> I just read your post to the other thread
answering my concerns about
> your support for the UKB.
>
> So please ignore the last sentence in the
previous post below.
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis
>
> On Aug 29, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Dennis Brown
wrote:
>
>> Tomasz,
>>
>> It is fair enough to say that the UKB will
stay as is. I can accept
>> that. The problem is that hardly anyone is
posting to it. So (in
>> factual hindsight) the private
conversations about what it had to have
>> for presentation came to the wrong
tradeoff to make it widely
>> acceptable to many who were not part of
that process. But that can be
>> a different poll if you want
it.
>>
>> Since you say that this poll is just about
Yahoo groups EMAIL vs PHP
>> WEB only access to the list, the details
about a proposed PHP solution
>> are very important. How you personally
feel about being able to
>> maintain it is if primary importance. If
you would not be happy with
>> it, then it is pointless.
>>
>> So I am not sure if this poll is about a
vote of confidence for
>> leaving things the way they are, or
because you have an alternative
>> you would like to try. Your intentions are
not clear to me. I am
>> very confused since this poll came just
after you were discouraging my
>> efforts to recruit more participation in
the current UKB.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Tomasz
Janeczko wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> There is no poll for that and there is
no such option.
>>> UKB won't be moved to forum format.
UserKB will stay in current
>>> format (i.e. Wordpress)
>>> in place where it is
now http://www.amibroker.org/userkb/
>>>
>>> Discussion about that topic has no
point because I won't change my
>>> mind in that area.
>>>
>>> BTW: *** phpBB software does *NOT*
have e-mail send/receive of
>>> posts. ***
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>> amibroker.com
>>> ----- Original Message
-----
>>> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxxxxxcom>
>>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:30
PM
>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Forum or
Mailing List - please vote
>>>
>>>
>>>> I vote to move the UKB to a new
forum provided it has email send and
>>>> receive.
>>>>
>>>> I will reformat my posts and do
some new ones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> brian_z
>>>>
>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Progster,
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree, and not because of
"unexperience" as you said.
>>>>>
>>>>> You did not hear private
discussions about UKB therefore you have
>>>> no idea
>>>>> about kind of layout
capability expectations people have. They are
>>>> way over top
>>>>> any forum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>>>> amibroker.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----
>>>>> From: "progster01"
<progster@xxx>
>>>>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008
1:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Forum
or Mailing List - please vote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of phpBB3 as "the
forum":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the forum is *very*
limited when it comes to formatting the
>>>> article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I have to disagree
with that statement!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to quibble with you
on your own list, TJ, but I think the
>>>>>> opinion you've expressed
above is misleading to the
>>>>>>
uninformed/unexperienced (in phpBB3), and would be
widely
>>>> rejected by
>>>>>> those who routinely use
properly enabled phpBB3 Forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PhpBB3 Forum, IMO,
provides generous and easy-to-use formatting
>>>> with
>>>>>> control of text styles,
in-line images, visual compression of
>>>> large
>>>>>> images into the page area,
and far too many more specifics to list
>>>>>> individually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PhpBB3 is not a
pixel-by-pixel publishing layout program (is
>>>>>> WordPress?), but that is
irrelevant (IMO).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is relevant is that
with only a very tiny learning curve
>>>> phpBB3
>>>>>> will allow anyone willing
to make the slightest effort to produce
>>>> very
>>>>>> nice messages, with text
styling, with blocks and indents, with
>>>>>> images, with attached
files, with segregated, selectable "code"
>>>> blocks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If phpBB3 were to become
the AB community forum platform, members
>>>>>> would be unfettered from
the very serious expressive/presentation
>>>>>> limitations of the Yahoo
email list format. The trade-off is
>>>> that the
>>>>>> whole ball of wax doesn't
appear in your email inbox
>>>> automatically (if
>>>>>> that's what you are used
to).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this change is adopted,
I predict UKB in WordPress will become
>>>> a
>>>>>> lame duck. Virtually no
one will use it, because phpBB3, properly
>>>>>> configured, is _so much
easier to use_, and perfectly adequate
>>>> for all
>>>>>> but the most demanding
"magazine-like" presentations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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