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You are very welcome Dennis.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
> Tomasz,
>
> WOW!!!
>
> THANK YOU!
> THANK YOU!
> THANK YOU!
>
> I could not wait, and shut down my trading to load the new version.
> I tested out all these issues on my system and as you say, all are
> fixed --even the ones that were hard to replicate.
>
> Not only that, but you, also went beyond and added the magnet toggle
> key feature. I did not think of that one, but in using it just now,
> it greatly enhances the ease of drawing studies.
>
> Simple studies in AB have gone from a frustration to a dream for me in
> the last hour. Now I can draw studies quickly and accurately while
> trading --and I don't need a second program to do it. I have no
> reservations in recommending AB to my trader friends who rely on
> studies now.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
> Dennis :-)))))))))
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> All problems you raised are now fixed in AmiBroker 5.13 BETA:
>>
>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2008/06/27/amibroker-5130-beta-released/
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomasz Janeczko
>> amibroker.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>>
>>
>>> Thank you all for the many responses that made this thread a good
>>> exchange of ideas well beyond the original post. I especially want
>>> to
>>> thank Tomasz for his responses and for taking the time to carefully
>>> consider the issues presented and for taking action on the items he
>>> decided were important.
>>>
>>> The area of drawing tools enhancements seems to have sparked interest
>>> in a number of people on this thread, and also from private messages
>>> to me. Perhaps Tomasz will address enhancing this area as part of
>>> the
>>> AB roadmap for future releases based on suggestions made by users who
>>> are familiar with useful drawing tools in other programs, or perhaps
>>> through the plug-in or enhanced AFL routes suggested here. Whatever
>>> the means, drawing studies are important for some types of trading
>>> that AmiBroker is also suited to do. Especially to hybrid methods
>>> that combine AFL and studies. Most traders have incredible high
>>> speed
>>> pattern recognition engines connected directly to their eyes. 8^)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:20 PM, tradinghumble wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dennis - I agree with all your points and support them. Although AB
>>>> has been advancing in the system development arena the basic
>>>> charting
>>>> and drawing is still behind tools like Metastock (which has not
>>>> received an update in 10 years).... overall a good product but would
>>>> rate it 5 out 10 in charting/drawing.
>>>>
>>>> -- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You make an interesting point. I belong to a trading board (paid
>>>>> subscription) with a number of very helpful posters. Every month
>>>>> everyone on the board is asked to email the names of the two
>>>>> posters
>>>>> they would like to honor with their votes because of help they
>>>>> received, help they saw rendered to others, or just because they
>>>>> made
>>>>> them laugh with their posts. In other words, voting for two who
>>>>> make
>>>>> the board a better place to hang out.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two with the most votes are named posters of the month, an
>>>>> honor
>>>>> bestowed by their peers. They also receive an extra month added to
>>>>> their subscription end date (worth $50) by the owner of the
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the financial honorarium is not large compared to the
>>>>> work
>>>>> put into posting, but it is the recognition by both their peers and
>>>>> the company that is well received. Others who received votes are
>>>>> also
>>>>> mentioned by name in the announcement of the winners.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know on this list people are appreciative of help they receive
>>>>> and
>>>>> offer their thanks. Perhaps something like this could encourage
>>>>> just
>>>>> a bit more participation by voters and votees. Worth considering
>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 4:19 AM, reinsley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A missing point in the ABous World is the help as MicroSoft did
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the MVP. It's one of the most powerful thing to spread a software
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The AB product is so complex to send a simple order for real
>>>>>> through a
>>>>>> basic reversal trading system that nobody as time to help the
>>>>>> beginners. Master users have not interest to do so. Only complex
>>>>>> problems are relevant and worst posting, between high level
>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TJ should offer title and financial advantages for the most active
>>>>>> helpers. He will save time and gain money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such user's help forum give many solutions to get round unsolved
>>>>>> issues for both advanced users and beginners as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt that the AB sofware will move toward a user friendly
>>>>>> interface in ten years without loosing it's versatility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In fact I use
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> a fraction of its total capability for my trading style. I trade
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading systems
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the
>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>> chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions as a
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> basic operating mode would be at least as good as other charting
>>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, even though the fundamental operations are there (and I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> potentially better), the interface (either design or
>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>> bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use this
>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>> for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading. In
>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>> need a second chart from my broker's application open to the same
>>>>>>> ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even though AB
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This has been
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say to me
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> they figure out that these basic features don't work properly. I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a while
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> hoping these things would be fixed first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the same
>>>>>>> bugs,
>>>>>>> but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz knows
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some higher
>>>>>>> priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are others on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the ones
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple
>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>> that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates frustration
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes the
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the
>>>>>>> trigger
>>>>>>> point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel are
>>>>>>> costing
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add them
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #726. Handles from a selected study line are not respected.
>>>>>>> Often
>>>>>>> several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot points.
>>>>>>> Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a common
>>>>>>> pivot
>>>>>>> point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become more
>>>>>>> important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time. It is
>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>> to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it is
>>>>>>> unique,
>>>>>>> and the handles will appear along the line. However, unlike any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on the
>>>>>>> visible handle will not usually work properly if any other study
>>>>>>> crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that AB will
>>>>>>> grab
>>>>>>> the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will un-
>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>> the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>> After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to grab
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from its
>>>>>>> current location and reposition all its handles. Very
>>>>>>> frustrating
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> takes the time and concentration away from the trading action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal. The
>>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>> lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet mode
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>> They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if you
>>>>>>> click on
>>>>>>> the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar on the
>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>> side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and causes
>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>> in placement of the price level after the fact. Completely
>>>>>>> unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between two
>>>>>>> peaks.
>>>>>>> Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the right
>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>> handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have advanced
>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>> new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new peak
>>>>>>> (this
>>>>>>> is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that handle that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on the
>>>>>>> peak
>>>>>>> you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the trend line
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you end up
>>>>>>> placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the wrong
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a study,
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have dragged the
>>>>>>> handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the study gets
>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>> to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow. This
>>>>>>> wastes
>>>>>>> valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out which
>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>> to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want it.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is an annoyance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw trend
>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>> on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5 minute
>>>>>>> view,
>>>>>>> the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars. And heaven
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap to
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> wrong bars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There you have my short list. Please speak up if these issues
>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For other support material please check also:
>>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
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> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
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>
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