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Brian,
LOL
I don't like to "complain" -- just helpful feedback I hope.
Today I was able to trade off only one chart.
I was able to draw and adjust studies four times faster and more
accurately, which helped my trading performance in a big way.
I am lightening fast on the draw now. Don't challenge me to a dual if
you want to stay solvent! ;-)
Best regards,
Dennis
On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:48 AM, brian_z111 wrote:
> Tomasz,
>
> Thanks for putting a smile on Dennis's face.
>
>
> Dennis,
>
> You don't get to complain about anything again, not until after we
> have all had our turn - all 7000 of us :-)
>
>
> brian_z
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Tomasz,
>>
>> WOW!!!
>>
>> THANK YOU!
>> THANK YOU!
>> THANK YOU!
>>
>> I could not wait, and shut down my trading to load the new version.
>> I tested out all these issues on my system and as you say, all are
>> fixed --even the ones that were hard to replicate.
>>
>> Not only that, but you, also went beyond and added the magnet
> toggle
>> key feature. I did not think of that one, but in using it just
> now,
>> it greatly enhances the ease of drawing studies.
>>
>> Simple studies in AB have gone from a frustration to a dream for me
> in
>> the last hour. Now I can draw studies quickly and accurately
> while
>> trading --and I don't need a second program to do it. I have no
>> reservations in recommending AB to my trader friends who rely on
>> studies now.
>>
>> THANK YOU!
>>
>> Dennis :-)))))))))
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> All problems you raised are now fixed in AmiBroker 5.13 BETA:
>>>
>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2008/06/27/amibroker-5130-beta-
> released/
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>> amibroker.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxx>
>>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the many responses that made this thread a good
>>>> exchange of ideas well beyond the original post. I especially
> want
>>>> to
>>>> thank Tomasz for his responses and for taking the time to
> carefully
>>>> consider the issues presented and for taking action on the items
> he
>>>> decided were important.
>>>>
>>>> The area of drawing tools enhancements seems to have sparked
> interest
>>>> in a number of people on this thread, and also from private
> messages
>>>> to me. Perhaps Tomasz will address enhancing this area as part
> of
>>>> the
>>>> AB roadmap for future releases based on suggestions made by
> users who
>>>> are familiar with useful drawing tools in other programs, or
> perhaps
>>>> through the plug-in or enhanced AFL routes suggested here.
> Whatever
>>>> the means, drawing studies are important for some types of
> trading
>>>> that AmiBroker is also suited to do. Especially to hybrid
> methods
>>>> that combine AFL and studies. Most traders have incredible
> high
>>>> speed
>>>> pattern recognition engines connected directly to their eyes.
> 8^)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:20 PM, tradinghumble wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dennis - I agree with all your points and support them.
> Although AB
>>>>> has been advancing in the system development arena the basic
>>>>> charting
>>>>> and drawing is still behind tools like Metastock (which has not
>>>>> received an update in 10 years).... overall a good product but
> would
>>>>> rate it 5 out 10 in charting/drawing.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You make an interesting point. I belong to a trading board
> (paid
>>>>>> subscription) with a number of very helpful posters. Every
> month
>>>>>> everyone on the board is asked to email the names of the two
>>>>>> posters
>>>>>> they would like to honor with their votes because of help they
>>>>>> received, help they saw rendered to others, or just because
> they
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> them laugh with their posts. In other words, voting for two
> who
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> the board a better place to hang out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The two with the most votes are named posters of the month,
> an
>>>>>> honor
>>>>>> bestowed by their peers. They also receive an extra month
> added to
>>>>>> their subscription end date (worth $50) by the owner of the
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course the financial honorarium is not large compared to
> the
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> put into posting, but it is the recognition by both their
> peers and
>>>>>> the company that is well received. Others who received votes
> are
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> mentioned by name in the announcement of the winners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know on this list people are appreciative of help they
> receive
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> offer their thanks. Perhaps something like this could
> encourage
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> a bit more participation by voters and votees. Worth
> considering
>>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 4:19 AM, reinsley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A missing point in the ABous World is the help as MicroSoft
> did
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the MVP. It's one of the most powerful thing to spread a
> software
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the knowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The AB product is so complex to send a simple order for real
>>>>>>> through a
>>>>>>> basic reversal trading system that nobody as time to help the
>>>>>>> beginners. Master users have not interest to do so. Only
> complex
>>>>>>> problems are relevant and worst posting, between high level
>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TJ should offer title and financial advantages for the most
> active
>>>>>>> helpers. He will save time and gain money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Such user's help forum give many solutions to get round
> unsolved
>>>>>>> issues for both advanced users and beginners as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No doubt that the AB sofware will move toward a user friendly
>>>>>>> interface in ten years without loosing it's versatility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In fact I
> use
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> a fraction of its total capability for my trading style. I
> trade
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading
> systems
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the
>>>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>>>> chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions
> as a
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> basic operating mode would be at least as good as other
> charting
>>>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, even though the fundamental operations are there
> (and I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> potentially better), the interface (either design or
>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>>> bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use
> this
>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>> for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading. In
>>>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>>>> need a second chart from my broker's application open to the
> same
>>>>>>>> ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even
> though AB
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This has
> been
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB
> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say
> to me
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they figure out that these basic features don't work
> properly. I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a
> while
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> hoping these things would be fixed first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the
> same
>>>>>>>> bugs,
>>>>>>>> but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz
> knows
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some
> higher
>>>>>>>> priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are
> others on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the
> ones
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple
>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>> that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates
> frustration
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes
> the
>>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>>> drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the
>>>>>>>> trigger
>>>>>>>> point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel are
>>>>>>>> costing
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add
> them
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the conversation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #726. Handles from a selected study line are not
> respected.
>>>>>>>> Often
>>>>>>>> several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot
> points.
>>>>>>>> Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a
> common
>>>>>>>> pivot
>>>>>>>> point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become
> more
>>>>>>>> important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time.
> It is
>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>> to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it
> is
>>>>>>>> unique,
>>>>>>>> and the handles will appear along the line. However, unlike
> any
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on
> the
>>>>>>>> visible handle will not usually work properly if any other
> study
>>>>>>>> crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that AB
> will
>>>>>>>> grab
>>>>>>>> the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will
> un-
>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>> the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>> After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to
> grab
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from
> its
>>>>>>>> current location and reposition all its handles. Very
>>>>>>>> frustrating
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> takes the time and concentration away from the trading
> action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal. The
>>>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>>> lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet
> mode
>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>> They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if you
>>>>>>>> click on
>>>>>>>> the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar
> on the
>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>> side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and causes
>>>>>>>> errors
>>>>>>>> in placement of the price level after the fact. Completely
>>>>>>>> unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you
> have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between
> two
>>>>>>>> peaks.
>>>>>>>> Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the
> right
>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>> handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have
> advanced
>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>> new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new
> peak
>>>>>>>> (this
>>>>>>>> is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that handle
> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on
> the
>>>>>>>> peak
>>>>>>>> you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the trend
> line
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you
> end up
>>>>>>>> placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the
> wrong
>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>> now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a
> study,
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have
> dragged the
>>>>>>>> handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the study
> gets
>>>>>>>> moved
>>>>>>>> to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow.
> This
>>>>>>>> wastes
>>>>>>>> valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out
> which
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>> to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want
> it.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is an annoyance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw
> trend
>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>> on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5
> minute
>>>>>>>> view,
>>>>>>>> the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars. And
> heaven
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap
> to
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> wrong bars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There you have my short list. Please speak up if these
> issues
>>>>>>>> affect
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note that this group is for discussion between users
> only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly
> to
>>>>>>> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
> DEVLOG:
>>>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For other support material please check also:
>>>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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> only.
>>>>>
>>>>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
>>>>> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>>>>>
>>>>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
> DEVLOG:
>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>>>>>
>>>>> For other support material please check also:
>>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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