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Re: [amibroker] Re: I need your thoughts on an Optimisation issue



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Because we are working with ownscale charts that is a good idea, Thomas.


herman


Monday, June 11, 2007, 1:20:37 AM, you wrote:


> Good hints, Herman! In addition, I included two lines in my Portfolio.afl:


> RelPerf=eq/C;

> if(ParamToggle("Show Rel.Perf Equity", "No|Yes",0)) Plot(RelPerf, "Rel.Perf.", 

> colorBlack,styleThick|styleOwnScale);


> This line makes it very easy to recognise in which market situations your 

> system under- or overperforms and to spot its weaknesses . Just one 

> additional tool for the visual evaluation.


> Thomas


>> this is jmo but if you have enough trades and you don't have too many Opt

>> variables, by far the easiest way to optimize is to use visual

>> optimizations. 


>> We do this by running the system in an Indicator and plot the equity.

>> Substitute the Optimize() with a Param() and simply drag the Param slider

>> left and right. This is a hundreds times faster than optimizing and you'll

>> automatically reject over-optimization because these conditions don't last

>> over many consecutive opt values. You can also immediately see how optimum

>> values for one ticker apply to other tickers simply by clicking on the

>> tickers in your work space. This, btw, gives you a real good impression on

>> how robust (market wise) your system is. You can also immediately pick up

>> on any system bias towards stock price, sectors, markets, time periods,

>> Long vs Short, etc. And all that is minutes...


>> I find the visual feedback is very effective, catches a lot more

>> invalid/over-optimized results, and splits etc. Performance is immediately

>> obvious from the equity chart. Not only that, if your equity jumps up/down

>> you can immediately zoom in on the event and analyze that happened.


>> I like it simple  less surprise that way.


>> herman


>> Saturday, June 9, 2007, 11:48:15 AM, you wrote:

>> > The linearity of the equity curve is probably one of the best measures

>> > of predictable future performance, if you have enough data samples.  I

>> > believe one way to check for the linearity of the equity curve is the

>> > standard error provided in the optimization table and backtest

>> > report. I'd like to know what the precise definition of this standard

>> > error criteria is, by the way.  

>> >

>> > The data I am working with is 1-minute bars, but part of it was

>> > collected some time ago when IB was not providing after-market data 

>> > (last fall?), so my bars per day is not uniform, and therefore

>> > the equity line will have a lower slope in recent months, so my

>> > standard error measure is higher than it would be with uniform data.

>> >

>> > Consequently, I've been experimenting with a variation that allows the

>> > trades to be less uniformly distributed over time, but I want the

>> > profit per trade average to be consistent.  I average the profits from

>> > the last 50 trades, for example, and compute the linearity of that

>> > instead of the equity curve.

>> >

>> > For both of these, we don't just want a straight equity line - it

>> > should be a straight line that rises, so we really want a combination

>> > of the net profit and this linearity measure, and one way of computing

>> > that is netProfit / stdErr.

>> >

>> > There is a lot more to this.  Some other factors to consider are how

>> > much of your equity you are risking with each trade, how long it is

>> > tied up not doing something else, and the magnitude of your potential

>> > loss.

>> >

>> > Daniel LaLiberte

>> > liberte@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

>> >

>> > On Monday 04 June 2007 03:00 pm, Dennis Brown wrote:

>> >> Alex,

>> >>

>> >> What you might be looking for is how straight the equity curve is.  I

>> >> have not tried this yet in automatic mode, but when I plot the equity

>> >> curve I look for the gain and how straight the curve is.  As a single

>> >> number, that would likely be the correlation to a straight line

>> >> between the start and ending equity values.   That way you are not

>> >> fooled by a single rare event.

>> >>

>> >> Dennis

>> >>

>> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:50 PM, dralexchambers wrote:

>> >> > I am currently testing and optimising a trading system over 1 year of

>> >> > data, and sorting the results by Gross Profit Made.

>> >> >

>> >> > What I am finding is that by sorting the results by Gross Profit

>> >> > Made, the system has long periods of small losses then one big gain.

>> >> > Although over a year this provides a good return, drawdowns in the

>> >> > interim are bad - and I am looking for regular cashflow with lower

>> >> > drawdowns rather than the largest gain made over a year.

>> >> >

>> >> > Can anyone think of a way to optimise results for maximal cash-flow

>> >> > each month rather than Gross Profit Made in a year? Is there a

>> >> > mathematical formula I can use?

>> >> >

>> >> > I tried using a average of x bars, but this still doesn't solve the

>> >> > problem, eg:

>> >> >

>> >> > Week 1: -$40

>> >> > Week 2: -$40

>> >> > Week 3: $8000

>> >> >

>> >> > whereas I would like more:

>> >> >

>> >> > Week 1: $900

>> >> > Week 2: $1500

>> >> > Week 3: $2000

>> >> >

>> >> > (this is a very simplified example but illustrates what I am after).

>> >> >

>> >> > Many thanks,

>> >> > Alex

>> >

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