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Re: [RT] Hurst Long Term Cycles



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Ira,
 
Low or High math achiever does not 
matter.
 
What I present here is ONE APPROACH to a method of 
detecting when and if
cycles are at the beginning and/or end and/or 
somewhere inbetween in their
period.
 
Instead of taking years and years of data (the 
years and years was simply to
establish that there were valid cycles in the data) 
to estimate what the CURRENT
position of the cycle is I use only the LAST FOUR 
periods of the selected cycle
for the current estimate.
 
That slides along from bar to bar and other than 
shortening that to one cycle
(which would be unstable) it allows for a 
relatively current estimate of the
position of the selected cycle.
 
If you carefully look at the 55 bar cycle you will 
note that it really does vary in
length by quite a bit as time passes.  This 
leads me to believe that 55 is just
an analytic expression of a much more complex wave 
arrangement in the
55 bar zone.
 
The 42 bar analysis shows considerable more 
stability in length of cycles
and may mean that we could count 42 bars as a 
nominal period.
 
The 24 bar analysis is very stable insofar as 
length is concerned but such
could be expected as things get shorter and 
shorter.
 
I hope that everyone will understand what I am 
doing and that it is the
best approach I know to trying to determine, at any 
given instant in
time, the current position within a selected (or 
near selected) cycle.
 
Clyde
 
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  Ira Tunik 
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  Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:56 
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  Subject: Re: [RT] Hurst Long Term 
  Cycles
  First let me say that I believe in cycles and in Hurst's 
  work.  I use it in my work.  The thing that bothers me about what 
  you are doing is that you are trying to take years and years of data and come 
  up with a norm.  I haven't read Hurst in years, but I do remember that he 
  stated, and I agree, that cycles are variable. His 28 week cycle was plus or 
  minus.  So after the first cycle, the second cycle can be longer or 
  shorter then first by a bar or two.  If that is the case then over a 
  period of time, if you don't change the starting point of the cycle, you will 
  be all out of whack.  Using very sophisticated mathematics will not 
  change that fact or give you a highly dependable result.  At least it 
  hasn't for me, but then again, I am not a math whiz.  I have found, as an 
  example, that a 10 bar cycle can have 8 bars for two or three cycles and go to 
  10 and then 12 bars and come back down to 9 etc.  If you start at the 
  beginning of the first 8 bar measurement with , by the time you get to the end 
  everything is out of sync.  This is the opinion of one low math 
  achiever.  Ira. 
  Clyde Lee wrote: 
  
    
    In Hurst's epic discussion of market timing 
    he made a study of thecyclic 
    elements in the market (DJIA I think). To 
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