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Maybe not, but we are entitled to our opinions aren't we Bill . . . I am not
alone here, just so you know.
I am am sure he (MB) is very talented, better said an extremely talented
person, it is just intersting that I have seen him kicked off of so many
lists I have been on over the last 6-7 years, must be the all the members
of the lists are wrong I quess or . . . maybe it is something else. Yes I
am sure he can can rip anyone . . that is not the point . . . it is about
being civil, being additive, offering ideas, help with trading ideas,
trading wisdom (maybe he qualifies there, use computers and don't think) you
name it, but for one to respond to "each and every post" with sarcasm
detroys a list, from what I have seen. Real traders has dropped in the
number and quality of posts from other lists (which are growing in posts)
that I also participate in. The other lists have an appropriate "respect"
for other posters and frequently you see "thank you for sharing that", or be
it respectfully have you ever looked at it this way, whereas this list has a
totally different tone. I compliment those who have tried to make it what
it was in the past, not a slaughter forum, for anyone who posts.
nuff said.
don ewers
----- Original Message -----
From: "tradewynne" <tradewynne@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:55 PM
Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> Don:
>
> I think MB, TG, and Jeff are not the same person.
>
> TG only shows up in late spring-summer. She wants free
> trading programs.
>
> Jeff, well I know MB, and Jeff is no MB. Jeff was almost
> apologetic. Ever seen MB apologize?
>
> MB would have ripped Don's head off, he doesn't need books,
> software, and new ideas. MB a PITA? Yes. Looking for the
> Holy Grail here, or begging for free software? No.
>
> BW
>
>
> --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> > I stand corrected ahhh . . well . . . maybe no, how did you know
> I was an
> > EW'er since last post to that was way before your first post (don't
> tell me
> > you read the achives), then a "sleeper'' post, then nothing until TG
> > recently disappeared hmmmm , your MO is unmistakable MB. First
> your "style
> > of reply" now changed (once pointed out by a list member) but
> the "need to
> > respond" to anyone that posts on this list with a sarcastic
> reply . . . nope
> > no mistake about it MB all the way?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:03 PM
> > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> >
> >
> > > Nope. can't pin this one on Mark.
> > > My mouth has been washed out with soap, for
> > > I have been a baaad boy.
> > > For all the folks I have offended with my deeply religious
> rhetoric,
> > > I am sorry for causing you pain and suffering.
> > > Apparently a few nerve endings are to near the skin, and my
> remarks
> > > have agitated.
> > > I shall refrain from anything remotely controversial, and will
> > > now agree with every rediculous statement, observation, remark,
> > > analysis, indicator salesman,scam , whatever. No waves from me..
> > > Oops, I said wave, That might be
> > > misinterpreted as an attack on an Elliott Wave believer. sorry for
> > > that remark.
> > >
> > > Nope, not mark brown.
> > >
> > > has been fun.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Mark is that you, formally TG . . . . ?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Duke,
> > > > >
> > > > > So news reports on national television, interviewing
> > > > > people "seeing" the Virgin Mary in a rust stain,
> > > > > that is OK. But if I make reference to it, that is
> > > > > not OK, blaspheme ? A little touch of hipocracy.
> > > > > Censorship, the Americam way. Do you understand
> > > > > sarcasm? Put me on auto ignore.
> > > > > Non constructive for you, may be constructive
> > > > > for anothers. do you speak for all, or is this
> > > > > just your opinion? request that the moderator ban
> > > > > me. But don't ban the indicator salesmen, the
> > > > > rediculous prognosticators and their pay sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > freedom of expression comes in many forms.
> > > > > restriction of expression, wasn't that tried
> > > > > in a few third world countries, with less than
> > > > > stellar results?
> > > > >
> > > > > take care......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Duke Jones - Portfolio Manager"
> > > > > <Duke.Jones@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am a lurker on the board and I have resisted the
> temptation to
> > > > > fire back a
> > > > > > response after a couple of your emails but this last one
> with
> > > the
> > > > > reference
> > > > > > to "that Mary woman" was enough.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First, lets leave personal issues aside from the list as
> some
> > > of us
> > > > > find
> > > > > > this extremely offensive. Secondly, most on the board
> attempt to
> > > > > offer
> > > > > > something constructive. I am not saying all are good and do
> not
> > > > > warrant
> > > > > > criticism or challenge but in your case you do nothing to
> > > further
> > > > > the
> > > > > > discussion other than launch a few over used statistical
> > > phrases and
> > > > > > satirical remarks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets face it.to have a truly in statistically significant
> system
> > > > > the number
> > > > > > of observations required would be a couple of lifetimes. I
> > > > > personally don't
> > > > > > care to wait that long so I play the best odds my systems
> will
> > > give.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Last, if I wanted to read or listen to another talking head
> I
> > > would
> > > > > just
> > > > > > flip on CNBC. Either offer something constructive or leave
> us
> > > alone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Duke
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: jeff97_98_1998 [mailto:jprroth@x...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:35 AM
> > > > > > To: realtraders@xxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Karen,
> > > > > > I don't believe in Elliott Wave,
> > > > > > BUT I do use a lotta Gerri Curl.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Put 20 Elliott Believers in a room,
> > > > > > give them the same chart, and you will get
> > > > > > 20 different wave counts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kinda like a Rorschach Ink Blot Test.
> > > > > > Can also throw in a rusty water stain on a chruch wall,
> > > > > > resembling that "Mary" woman.
> > > > > > The mind is a terrible thing to trust.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Karen Beckwith" <hoticetea@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > > > Looking for a holy grail? Have u ever looked into the EW3
> > > > > (Elliott
> > > > > > Wave)
> > > > > > > software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it sounds
> > > awfully
> > > > > > good.
> > > > > > > Anyone here familiar w/ EW3?
> > > > > > > best wishes,
> > > > > > > karen
> > > > > > > ps - May the force be with you.
> > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
> destroyed.
> > > If
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > can unite and redirect these forces to
> > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
> > > swiftly."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.
> > > > > > > > Grasshopper, my son, be of unity with the universe.
> > > > > > > > Now catch this fly in my soup.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please enlighten me, how does one unite and redirect
> these
> > > > > forces
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > ones advantage?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How do I redirect a drought in the midwest, terrorist
> attack
> > > > > > crashing
> > > > > > > > the S & P , lumber import regulations vs. canadian
> exports?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have the force, the unity, the polarity...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Beam me up Scotty, for I have discovered how markets
> > > > > > > > work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.
> > > > > > > > Why is that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Reinar,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From one sailor to another, when one's sailboat
> hits a
> > > sand
> > > > > > bar,
> > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > called running a ground and that's not a good thing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know it's time for me to take a vacation. Your
> sailing
> > > > > > metaphor
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > starting to make sense to me.<G> Seriously, I agree
> that
> > > > > > sailing
> > > > > > > > is a good
> > > > > > > > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons you have
> > > stated.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > sailing is a good analogy for trading because in
> order to
> > > be
> > > > > > > > successful, one
> > > > > > > > > must join with the huge natural forces at work. If
> one
> > > tries
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fight these
> > > > > > > > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can unite and
> > > redirect
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
> > > swiftly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum
> speed
> > > is to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > the sail
> > > > > > > > > at a 45 degree angle to the wind.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nautically,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track record
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Elk
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not only will I continue to use sailing as a
> metaphor
> > > but I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > expand the use. There are several reasons. Selling
> > > to "the
> > > > > > > > traders"
> > > > > > > > > > market is too limiting and more imortant.... If you
> can
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > sailor you can think like a profitable trader......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you have ever been sailing you would know that
> it is
> > > kind
> > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > zen like experience where you have a very specific
> > > focus.
> > > > > All
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > that is provided by the media etc is gone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey can draw an
> > > Andrews
> > > > > > line
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free" 60 page
> > > lit.... at
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > time there are at least 20 or so that come in
> tomorrow.
> > > So
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > ones do you use? Rather than take the standard
> approach
> > > of
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with stuff that
> is
> > > > > > useless.....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand bars and a
> > > marker.
> > > > > > > > > > I did something similar in Vienna seminars and the
> > > sucess
> > > > > > rate of
> > > > > > > > > > the students over a long time period was very high.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end result.. you really
> > > want )
> > > > > > not on
> > > > > > > > > > the eggs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We look for 4 things...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines) where
> prices
> > > > > stop
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > bar or 2 and then go through
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go
> back
> > > to it
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > > it before continuing in the proper direction
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (the above are very handy for adding on positions or
> > > getting
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > definable risk....the other side of the sand bar
> line)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3) and finally sand bars that are likely to produce
> a
> > > > > > tradeable
> > > > > > > > > > pivot ....like i pointed out on thursday in an
> email I
> > > sent
> > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4) and then how to find markers (probable future
> pivot
> > > > > points)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all of those
> silly
> > > lines
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > learned how to draw lines that produced the
> > > > > > above .......wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > Andrews really work .....and very easily at that?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the
> Andrews "ROS"
> > > line
> > > > > > was?
> > > > > > > > > > Hint....its a sand bar.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > R
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk
> <infernalelk@xxxx>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> John either you are blind or you faded the
> > > forecast.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> ...or does north mean go short to you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> R
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms rather than
> cryptic
> > > > > > pseudo-
> > > > > > > > > > poetic
> > > > > > > > > > > "nautical" terms, people would understand you.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so
> > > CLEARLY. if
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > desire
> > > > > > > > > > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy your
> product
> > > > > > you'll do
> > > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > to speak clearly as well.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > we're not sailors. we're traders.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > > > > > >
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