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Geez Don, lighten up! <VBG> I'm just saying I don't think TG and Jeff
are MB..... I didn't mean to flip you out. I just have a different
opinion than you.
Anyway, why all the chatter about MB? I have't seen him post
here. Oops! If you don't like what someone posts then you just
say they are MB, right?
BW
--- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> Maybe not, but we are entitled to our opinions aren't we Bill . . .
I am not
> alone here, just so you know.
>
> I am am sure he (MB) is very talented, better said an extremely
talented
> person, it is just intersting that I have seen him kicked off of so
many
> lists I have been on over the last 6-7 years, must be the all the
members
> of the lists are wrong I quess or . . . maybe it is something
else. Yes I
> am sure he can can rip anyone . . that is not the point . . . it is
about
> being civil, being additive, offering ideas, help with trading
ideas,
> trading wisdom (maybe he qualifies there, use computers and don't
think) you
> name it, but for one to respond to "each and every post" with
sarcasm
> detroys a list, from what I have seen. Real traders has dropped in
the
> number and quality of posts from other lists (which are growing in
posts)
> that I also participate in. The other lists have an
appropriate "respect"
> for other posters and frequently you see "thank you for sharing
that", or be
> it respectfully have you ever looked at it this way, whereas this
list has a
> totally different tone. I compliment those who have tried to make
it what
> it was in the past, not a slaughter forum, for anyone who posts.
> nuff said.
> don ewers
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tradewynne" <tradewynne@xxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:55 PM
> Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
>
>
> > Don:
> >
> > I think MB, TG, and Jeff are not the same person.
> >
> > TG only shows up in late spring-summer. She wants free
> > trading programs.
> >
> > Jeff, well I know MB, and Jeff is no MB. Jeff was almost
> > apologetic. Ever seen MB apologize?
> >
> > MB would have ripped Don's head off, he doesn't need books,
> > software, and new ideas. MB a PITA? Yes. Looking for the
> > Holy Grail here, or begging for free software? No.
> >
> > BW
> >
> >
> > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> > > I stand corrected ahhh . . well . . . maybe no, how did you
know
> > I was an
> > > EW'er since last post to that was way before your first post
(don't
> > tell me
> > > you read the achives), then a "sleeper'' post, then nothing
until TG
> > > recently disappeared hmmmm , your MO is unmistakable MB. First
> > your "style
> > > of reply" now changed (once pointed out by a list member) but
> > the "need to
> > > respond" to anyone that posts on this list with a sarcastic
> > reply . . . nope
> > > no mistake about it MB all the way?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:03 PM
> > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nope. can't pin this one on Mark.
> > > > My mouth has been washed out with soap, for
> > > > I have been a baaad boy.
> > > > For all the folks I have offended with my deeply religious
> > rhetoric,
> > > > I am sorry for causing you pain and suffering.
> > > > Apparently a few nerve endings are to near the skin, and my
> > remarks
> > > > have agitated.
> > > > I shall refrain from anything remotely controversial, and will
> > > > now agree with every rediculous statement, observation,
remark,
> > > > analysis, indicator salesman,scam , whatever. No waves from
me..
> > > > Oops, I said wave, That might be
> > > > misinterpreted as an attack on an Elliott Wave believer.
sorry for
> > > > that remark.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, not mark brown.
> > > >
> > > > has been fun.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Don Ewers" <dbewers@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Mark is that you, formally TG . . . . ?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Duke,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So news reports on national television, interviewing
> > > > > > people "seeing" the Virgin Mary in a rust stain,
> > > > > > that is OK. But if I make reference to it, that is
> > > > > > not OK, blaspheme ? A little touch of hipocracy.
> > > > > > Censorship, the Americam way. Do you understand
> > > > > > sarcasm? Put me on auto ignore.
> > > > > > Non constructive for you, may be constructive
> > > > > > for anothers. do you speak for all, or is this
> > > > > > just your opinion? request that the moderator ban
> > > > > > me. But don't ban the indicator salesmen, the
> > > > > > rediculous prognosticators and their pay sites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > freedom of expression comes in many forms.
> > > > > > restriction of expression, wasn't that tried
> > > > > > in a few third world countries, with less than
> > > > > > stellar results?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > take care......
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Duke Jones - Portfolio Manager"
> > > > > > <Duke.Jones@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am a lurker on the board and I have resisted the
> > temptation to
> > > > > > fire back a
> > > > > > > response after a couple of your emails but this last one
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > reference
> > > > > > > to "that Mary woman" was enough.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First, lets leave personal issues aside from the list as
> > some
> > > > of us
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > > this extremely offensive. Secondly, most on the board
> > attempt to
> > > > > > offer
> > > > > > > something constructive. I am not saying all are good
and do
> > not
> > > > > > warrant
> > > > > > > criticism or challenge but in your case you do nothing
to
> > > > further
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > discussion other than launch a few over used statistical
> > > > phrases and
> > > > > > > satirical remarks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lets face it.to have a truly in statistically
significant
> > system
> > > > > > the number
> > > > > > > of observations required would be a couple of
lifetimes. I
> > > > > > personally don't
> > > > > > > care to wait that long so I play the best odds my
systems
> > will
> > > > give.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Last, if I wanted to read or listen to another talking
head
> > I
> > > > would
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > flip on CNBC. Either offer something constructive or
leave
> > us
> > > > alone.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Duke
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: jeff97_98_1998 [mailto:jprroth@x...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:35 AM
> > > > > > > To: realtraders@xxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Karen,
> > > > > > > I don't believe in Elliott Wave,
> > > > > > > BUT I do use a lotta Gerri Curl.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Put 20 Elliott Believers in a room,
> > > > > > > give them the same chart, and you will get
> > > > > > > 20 different wave counts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kinda like a Rorschach Ink Blot Test.
> > > > > > > Can also throw in a rusty water stain on a chruch wall,
> > > > > > > resembling that "Mary" woman.
> > > > > > > The mind is a terrible thing to trust.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Karen Beckwith"
<hoticetea@xxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > > > > Looking for a holy grail? Have u ever looked into
the EW3
> > > > > > (Elliott
> > > > > > > Wave)
> > > > > > > > software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it
sounds
> > > > awfully
> > > > > > > good.
> > > > > > > > Anyone here familiar w/ EW3?
> > > > > > > > best wishes,
> > > > > > > > karen
> > > > > > > > ps - May the force be with you.
> > > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
> > destroyed.
> > > > If
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > can unite and redirect these forces to
> > > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress quite
> > > > swiftly."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.
> > > > > > > > > Grasshopper, my son, be of unity with the universe.
> > > > > > > > > Now catch this fly in my soup.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me, how does one unite and redirect
> > these
> > > > > > forces
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > ones advantage?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How do I redirect a drought in the midwest,
terrorist
> > attack
> > > > > > > crashing
> > > > > > > > > the S & P , lumber import regulations vs. canadian
> > exports?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have the force, the unity, the polarity...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Beam me up Scotty, for I have discovered how
markets
> > > > > > > > > work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.
> > > > > > > > > Why is that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski"
<nwinski@xxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Reinar,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From one sailor to another, when one's sailboat
> > hits a
> > > > sand
> > > > > > > bar,
> > > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > > called running a ground and that's not a good
thing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I know it's time for me to take a vacation. Your
> > sailing
> > > > > > > metaphor
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > starting to make sense to me.<G> Seriously, I
agree
> > that
> > > > > > > sailing
> > > > > > > > > is a good
> > > > > > > > > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons you
have
> > > > stated.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > sailing is a good analogy for trading because in
> > order to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > successful, one
> > > > > > > > > > must join with the huge natural forces at work.
If
> > one
> > > > tries
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > fight these
> > > > > > > > > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can unite
and
> > > > redirect
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
quite
> > > > swiftly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum
> > speed
> > > > is to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > the sail
> > > > > > > > > > at a 45 degree angle to the wind.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nautically,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track record
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Elk
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Not only will I continue to use sailing as a
> > metaphor
> > > > but I
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > expand the use. There are several reasons.
Selling
> > > > to "the
> > > > > > > > > traders"
> > > > > > > > > > > market is too limiting and more imortant.... If
you
> > can
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > > sailor you can think like a profitable
trader......
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you have ever been sailing you would know
that
> > it is
> > > > kind
> > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > > > zen like experience where you have a very
specific
> > > > focus.
> > > > > > All
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > > that is provided by the media etc is gone.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey can draw
an
> > > > Andrews
> > > > > > > line
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free" 60
page
> > > > lit.... at
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > time there are at least 20 or so that come in
> > tomorrow.
> > > > So
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > ones do you use? Rather than take the standard
> > approach
> > > > of
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with stuff
that
> > is
> > > > > > > useless.....
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand bars
and a
> > > > marker.
> > > > > > > > > > > I did something similar in Vienna seminars and
the
> > > > sucess
> > > > > > > rate of
> > > > > > > > > > > the students over a long time period was very
high.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end result.. you
really
> > > > want )
> > > > > > > not on
> > > > > > > > > > > the eggs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We look for 4 things...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines)
where
> > prices
> > > > > > stop
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > bar or 2 and then go through
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go
> > back
> > > > to it
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > > > it before continuing in the proper direction
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > (the above are very handy for adding on
positions or
> > > > getting
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > definable risk....the other side of the sand bar
> > line)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) and finally sand bars that are likely to
produce
> > a
> > > > > > > tradeable
> > > > > > > > > > > pivot ....like i pointed out on thursday in an
> > email I
> > > > sent
> > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4) and then how to find markers (probable future
> > pivot
> > > > > > points)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all of those
> > silly
> > > > lines
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > learned how to draw lines that produced the
> > > > > > > above .......wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrews really work .....and very easily at
that?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the
> > Andrews "ROS"
> > > > line
> > > > > > > was?
> > > > > > > > > > > Hint....its a sand bar.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > R
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk
> > <infernalelk@xxxx>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> John either you are blind or you faded the
> > > > forecast.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> ...or does north mean go short to you?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> R
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms rather than
> > cryptic
> > > > > > > pseudo-
> > > > > > > > > > > poetic
> > > > > > > > > > > > "nautical" terms, people would understand you.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so
> > > > CLEARLY. if
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > desire
> > > > > > > > > > > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy your
> > product
> > > > > > > you'll do
> > > > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > > to speak clearly as well.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > we're not sailors. we're traders.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > > > > > > >
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