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Norm,
Afgan travel maps are on the way. But you will have to take along some
protection. I found a few websites that fill in the details from WWII.
Best to bone up on some history before crossing the pass into Kabul. Here
are some websites that might be of interest.
http://www.maps.com
http://members.tripod.com/aryana_afghan/main.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
> Bobr,
>
> Thanks for the map so I can plan my next vacation. Where are the discos?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Norman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
>
>
> > The attached chart shows what would be hit if Kabul is bombed. Notice
the
> > Russian and British Embassies are located furthest from the center of
the
> > city. There is nothing strategic there that justifies bombing. This is
> > going to have to be a bush war for sure.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don Thompson" <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
> >
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > > It is very frustrating, Japan still after 50 years has Imperialist
> > Military
> > > cults ....
> > >
> > > One of the things that might work, I'd try buying them out, Like
since
> a
> > > country is so damn poor and in shambles .... then you have to ask what
> > would
> > > 10 billion dollars do to Afganistan? Might be a nice the first shall
be
> > the
> > > last and the last shall be the first kind of operation.. That is an
> > option,
> > > but.. who in the hell knows.. Running the military in such a situation
> is
> > > like squashing an American slum with 105 mm howizters... And these
> asshole
> > > Taliban and Bin Laden people will hole up there. Totally frustrating.
> So
> > I
> > > guess the American leadership needs a new manual
> > > how to fight a coward on his own terms..
> > > No easy answers..
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeffrey Harteam" <jharteam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greeting Don and ALL:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the nice post. I too remembered few years ago regarding
the
> > war
> > > > between Afganistan and the Soviet. Back then, I personally judged
and
> > > felt the
> > > > plight of the Afghans. And I could still remember my anger towards
> the
> > > > Russians. I felt this way a few years back and I cannot see why I
> should
> > > change
> > > > my view about these Afghans now. But having said that, IMHO,
> resolution
> > > by
> > > > force is a must towards these terrorist establishments. As one
> Canadian
> > > fellow
> > > > trader put it, "This is damn too much". Resolving the matter through
> > > diplomatic
> > > > channels ONLY work when the counter party has a true sense of value
> > > towards
> > > > life. Obviously and proven time after time in the past, life is
cheap
> > and
> > > > absolutely has no meaning to these S.O.Bs. US is not alone this time
> to
> > > deal
> > > > with these evil forces. The feelings, anger and determinations are
> very
> > > much in
> > > > sync with the United States throughout most the asia pacific rims
and
> > most
> > > of
> > > > the major European developed nations as well. When I saw on tv these
> > kids
> > > and
> > > > women celebrating on the streets somewhere in the Middle East after
> the
> > > > destruction of the WTCs, I felt so sick of watching these "human
> > beings".
> > > When
> > > > these kids grow up, there will be another batch of terrorists all
too
> > > ready and
> > > > eager to go for another building in some major cities around the
> world.
> > I
> > > > concluded to myself: Men, women and kids make no difference when it
> > comes
> > > to
> > > > evil deeds. They are all in the same category. Honestly, I feel
shame
> to
> > > make
> > > > such conclusion but this is the reality to me. Regards.
> > > >
> > > > Take care and God Bless to All
> > > > Jeff Harteam
> > > > Hong Kong
> > > >
> > > > Don Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hmmm, sounds like the same old Left-Right hup hup hup hup....
> > > > > Gentlemen, here's another view of the world and the intention of
the
> > > Enemy
> > > > > and ...... the land in which he lives.
> > > > > I got this forwarded to me by my wife. Something to put into your
> > mind
> > > and
> > > > > think about with all this free time until the Market opens. Got
to
> > come
> > > up
> > > > > with creative mind boggling solutions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Thompson
> > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [Fwd: Great article about afghanistan/taliban/bin laden]
> > > > > One of our colleague posted the following article and it really
> shows
> > > > > theplight of the real Afghans.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Imran
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > > The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is
> > > > > an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant
> > people
> > > > > I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I
> > listen.
> > > > > Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.
> > > > > -Gary T.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
> > > > > I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to
> > > > > the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that
> this
> > > > > would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do
> with
> > > > > this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral
> damage.
> > > > > What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit
> discussing
> > > > > whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."
> > > > > And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard
because
> > > > > I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35
years
> > I've
> > > > > never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell
anyone
> > who
> > > > > will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
> > > > > I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is
> no
> > > > > doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the
atrocity
> > > > > in New York. I agree that something must be done about those
> monsters.
> > > > > But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not
even
> > > > > the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
> > > > > psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a
> political
> > > > > criminal
> > > > > with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think
> Bin
> > > > > Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan"
> > > think
> > > > > "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the
> Afghan
> > > > > people had nothing to do with this atrocity.
> > > > > They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult
if
> > > > > someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out
the
> > rats
> > > > > nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
> > > > > Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban?
> The
> > > > > answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated,
> suffering.
> > > > > A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are
500,000
> > > > > disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no
food.
> > > > > There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying
> these
> > > > > widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land
mines,
> > the
> > > > > farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
> > reasons
> > > > > why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
> > > > > We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone
> > > > > Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it
> > already.
> > > > > Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their
> > houses?
> > > > > Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate
> their
> > > > > hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
> > > > > medicine
> > > > > and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
> > > > >
> > > > > New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would
they
> at
> > > > > least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only
the
> > > > > Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip
> > away
> > > and
> > > > > hide.
> > > > > Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they
don't
> > > > > move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over
> Kabul
> > > > > and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the
criminals
> > > > > who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making
common
> > > > > cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've
been
> > > > > raping all this time
> > > > > So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak
with
> > > > > true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in
> > there
> > > > > with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do
> what
> > > > > needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to
> > kill
> > > > > as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms
> > about
> > > > > killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand.
> What's
> > > > > actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because
some
> > > > > Americans
> > > > > would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
> > hideout.
> > > > > It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to
> > > Afghanistan,
> > > > > We'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely.
The
> > > > > conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim
> > nations
> > > just
> > > > > stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war
> > > between
> > > > > Islam and the West.
> > > > > And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
> > > wants.
> > > > > That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's
all
> > > right
> > > > > there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might
seem
> > > > > ridiculous,
> > > > > but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the
West,
> > > > > he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in
> those
> > > > > lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's
> even
> > > > > better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in
the
> > end
> > > > > the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would
last
> > > > > for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who
has
> > the
> > > > > belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
> > > > > Tamim Ansary
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Sonny, I have a better idea. Why don't we throw the
liberals
> > out
> > > of
> > > > > > >> office. How do you identify a liberal? It's easy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> * they cut the military budget
> > > > > > >> * ignore the absolute disaster in our immigration policy
> > > > > > >> * force diversity down our throats
> > > > > > >> * destroy our schools by increasing spending with all the
> > > > > > >> money going to diversity and sex programs
> > > > > > >> * seek to pacify and endlessly negotiate with our enemies
> > > > > > >> * and politicize every issue instead of thinking what's best
> for
> > > > > > >> America.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I love this country, but I'm disgusted with the jerks we
send
> to
> > > > > govern
> > > > > > >> us. Just look at this jerk Gary Condit, and I think he's a
> > member
> > > of
> > > > > or
> > > > > > >> chairman of a defense committee. Ask yourself: why is this
> > > low-life
> > > > > > >> still getting support from his constituents and many of his
> > party
> > > > > > >> members? Flying flags is an effort for a week, but paying
> > > attention to
> > > > > > >> who we vote for is a full-time effort, and it's one we have
to
> > > take
> > > > > on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Ralph
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ralph, before you blow a gasket, a reminder or two:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (1) one of the "jerks" that govern us approved $43 million in
aid
> to
> > > > > > afghanistan & the taliban just a few months ago. it's a
> simple
> > > > > > web search. guess who it was?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (2) we have something called voting in this country. you have
> > exactly
> > > > > > ONE of them. the rest of the people in this country
likewise
> > each
> > > > > > have one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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