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Chuck,
From a pure marketing point of view, it is
hard for me to see how running around killing people and commiting suicide will
persuade people to want to join one's faith? Seems to me this approach is
bad for the potential customers, bad for the employees, and bad for business. If
I wanted to propagate a religion, I would model after successful marketing
companies such as McDonalds. Perhaps a better approach would be an equivalent of
Ronald McDonald to represent their faith who could give away free treats and
toys to kids and do good deads for the global community. The current approach is
exactly opposite to what has been proven to be succesful. They are creating bad
will when the goal should be to create good will. I think they need to re-think
what they are doing.
Regards,
Norman
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Chuck
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx"; title=jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>Jim Bronke ; <A
href="mailto:bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx";
title=MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>MikeSuesserott ; <A
href="mailto:omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx";
title=omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:05
AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: God Bless
America
Diplomacy certainly won't fix this problem and I'm not
sure military action will do much more than help people feel better.
Below is an email I sent to 'About Today' internet news distributor. It
contains no solutions but it might generate some ideas.
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Dear C. Huda Dodge:
I subscribe to 'About Today' and read your article
"Suicide Bombers - Why do they kill themselves
and others, and what does Islam say about their actions?<FONT
face=Arial>"
I feel that this type of reporting is dangerous and
plays a major role in allowing terrorism to continue
in the US and other free countries. Your 'out of
context' reporting creates confusion by leading people to believe that
Islam is a peaceful religion, which it
isn't.
The portions of the Quran 'in context' with Islamic
terrorism clearly direct followers of Islam to
'struggle' (Jihad) to spread the word of God throughout <FONT
face=Arial>the world. This 'struggle' is meant to be peaceful unless met
with resistance. Resistance develops when free,
democratic nations are given the choice to either:
accept the law of the Quran; or pay a poll-tax (Jazyah) to <FONT
face=Arial>the governing Islamic group; or get beheaded. These choices
cause people to oppose Islamic rule which
automatically makes them 'friends of Satan' and not <FONT
face=Arial>worthy to live.
Getting followers of Islam to risk their lives to spread
the word of God was bound to be difficult, so the
Quran offers plenty of incentive. Those who die
or martyr themselves in the 'struggle' automatically go to Paradise, are
dressed in radiant robes, live in palaces and get
numerous houri (virgins for the purpose of
sex). Additionally, the 'martyr' is permitted to recommend
70 men for entry into Paradise. It's no wonder
there is a waiting list of suicide bombers.
Lies, deception, treachery and murder are all considered <FONT
face=Arial>acceptable in the 'struggle' against the 'friends of Satan'.
While there are many Muslims who choose to follow the
peaceful writings of the Quran, there are also many
other Muslims who choose to follow the extreme <FONT
face=Arial>writings of the Quran. I'm sure you're a very peaceful
person, but I feel that you and others are providing a
disservice to all free people on the planet by
providing 'out of context' information. The threat to life
and liberty is from those radicals who choose to
follow the extreme writing of the Quran. I
believe that you could provide a greater service by using your <FONT
face=Arial>knowledge of Islam to help people and nations defend themselves
from the thousands, if not millions, of extremists
intent on forcing their beliefs on the rest of the
world.
Thank you.Chuck
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Bob Heisler
To: <A href="mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx";
title=jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>Jim Bronke ; <A
href="mailto:bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx";
title=MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>MikeSuesserott ; <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx";
title=omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; <A
href="mailto:qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001
10:48 AM
Subject: [RT] Re: God Bless
America
Perhaps I'm missing something, and it sure wouldn't be
the first time, butplease explain how "diplomatic" efforts can combat
these kind of people.I've listened to this sort of rhetoric for the last
decade and quite franklyam sick of it.There comes a time when we
have to end this form of thinking that putssymbolism over substance,
words over actions, the acceptance of unacceptablebehavior, the solving
of problems by hoping they go away and the practice ofrationalizing and
making excuses for everything.Bob----- Original Message
-----From: "Jim Bronke" <<A
href="mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx";>jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>To: <<A
href="mailto:bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"MikeSuesserott"<<A
href="mailto:MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx";>MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;<<A
href="mailto:omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx";>omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;<<A
href="mailto:qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:30 AMSubject: Re: God Bless
America> I am not against striking back. Only, I point out
that involvement in> retribution does not solve the problem.
The only way to truly solve the> problem is through diplomatic
efforts. Those need to be rethought as well.>> Jim
Bronke> Phoenix, AZ>>>> ----- Original
Message -----> From: "Bill Daniel"
<bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To: "Jim Bronke"
<jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>; "MikeSuesserott">
<MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;> <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>;
<metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;>
<qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001
6:02 AM> Subject: RE: God Bless America>>> :
Those who wish to strike back with vengeance don't> : seem to realize
that the death of a thousand terrorists can not make up> for>
: the loss of one of our lives.> :> : Jim> :> :
It is true that the death of a thousand terrorists cannot make up
forthe> : loss of our lives. However, there will> :
be a thousand less terrorists to take further lives. Diplomacy has
its> : place. So does force. Force may be the> :
one thing that will cause the terrorists to consider that maybe there
isa> : better way to resolve conflict than> : through
their terror. We cannot be afraid to face them. The
current> : tragedy is the result of total dependence> : on
diplomacy and our failure to realize that when we are compelled
touse> : force it must be for total and complete victory.>
: The US does not use force recklessly, but there is a time and place
for> it.> : This is one of those times. The place is
wherever terrorism resides.> :> : Bill Daniel>
:> :> :> :> : -----Original Message----->
: From: Jim Bronke [mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx]> : Sent: Thursday,
September 13, 2001 2:02 AM> : To: MikeSuesserott;
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx;> :
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : Subject: Re: God
Bless America> :> :> : Mike,> :> : Thank
you very much for your thoughts. This list has a way of
bonding> : people from around the world in more ways than just
technically. Most> : Americans have ties to other countries. My great
grandfather was from> : Germany. He came over abt. 1886. his name was
Frederick Brunk. Although> this> : is just a very small part
of my lineage it is a tie that binds. This isa> : sad time for us
and reflects that we can't intercede in world affairs> : without
paying a price. Those who wish to strike back with
vengeancedon't> : seem to realize that the death of a thousand
terrorists can not make up> for> : the loss of one of our
lives. I have been glued to my TV, watching the> news> :
reports, our brave firemen and policemen, we can't forget them.> : If
we view the answer to this crisis is revenge than we have become
oneof> : them and we have become part of the problem. It is only
through wise> : diplomacy that we can solve this problem. I'm afraid
that what I haveseen> : for the last 30 years has been anything
but that.> : We have created fertile ground for the hatred of America
by pickingallies> : and over injecting ourselves in other parts
of the world. For that wepay.> : We will survive, though.>
:> : Just a little over a year ago I was in N.Y. City in June 2000
attending> the> : OmegaWorld convention there. Dancing, being
a hobby of mine got me out> each> : night. One of my fondest
memories was attending a swing night at Windowof> : the World
Restaurant and Bar at the top of the World Trade Center>
building.> : It was incredible. Now it is just a memory, a very fond
one. At onepoint> I> : walked over to the window
with a gal I had befriended. The distance down> is> : so
incredible she couldn't even walk over. She crawled as we got
closeand> : peeked down. LOL. There is a spirit and a life to
many parts of our> country> : and I was happy to make NYC a
part of my life for that week. Our country> : will survive, we will
need to make changes, however.> :> : Thanks to all the
O'Listers around the world for your thoughts andprayers> : during
this time.> :> : Jim Bronke> : Phoenix, AZ>
:> :> :> : ----- Original Message -----> : From:
"MikeSuesserott" <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>> : To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>;>
: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> :
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:01 PM> : Subject: God Bless
America> :> :> : : Like so many of you, I feel deeply
for the terrible tragedy that has> : : occurred. My thoughts and
prayers are with the victims and their> families,> : : and
with the American people.> : :> : : Germany is in shock. All
public building are flagged at half-mast. In> : : uninterrupted
streams for the past 30 or so hours, people have been> :
placing> : : flowers in front of the American embassy in Berlin, and
the American> : : consulates in other cities. During working hours,
you could see many> : school> : : children who came
individually or with their teacher, trying to place> : their>
: : flowers as close to the embassy gates as possible; during lunch
break> and> : : after the offices close, the other age groups
come. Many are sobbing,or> : : have tears in their eyes. Now, at
night, you see numerous windows that> : have> : : candles
placed in them. Memorial services are being held all over the> : :
country for the victims. This morning a memorial service was held in
a> : large> : : cathedral in Berlin, with the Chancellor and
other dignitariespresent.> : The> : : cathedral was filled
to the overflowing, with so many people wantingto> : : attend
that a second service had to be scheduled immediatelythereafter.>
: :> : : The world, and Germany in particular, has much for which to
bethankful> to> : : America; now America deserves the
loyalty of her allies. Her kind,> : : large-hearted, and
freedom-loving spirit, more than any technological> : power,>
: : has made America the leader of the world and a beacon of light
andhope> : for> : : the downtrodden nations. I know this
great nation will prevail overthe> : : present crisis, and come
out the stronger for it. God bless America!> : :> : : Michael
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