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Hi Folks,
First of all my apologies if this message does not conform to RT etiquette
re. message format etc etc.
Now to the point of this message. I was using Ed Kasanjian's Nature's Pulse
and after y2k am missing it sorely(since it wont work now), it sure was a
great product. In this context I happened to come across Bryce Gilmore's
site and have been wondering if someone could kindly educate me re. the
quality of his software product and it's accuracy for someone looking at
Dynamic Cycles.
Thanks in advance
Rakesh Sahgal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrin Vernier" <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> Norman,
>
> >Bryce says, "anyone
> >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
>
> What makes you believe that Bryce isn't using a clock?
>
> If you believe he isn't using a clock then what he uses isn't, to you.
>
> >From what I have seen of Bryce, he sees two kinds of clocks.
>
> He learned to tell time with both, and found that FOR HIM, one was more
> accurate and applicable to his trading.
>
> The reverse might be true for you.
>
> You're both holding a different part of the same elephant.
> Looking at different aspects of the same clock.
>
> Is it more productive to argue about whether the elephant is a tree or an
> angel, or to see the whole elephant?
>
> Does the same hold true for clocks?
>
> When is a circle not a circle?
>
> Is 3:00 90 degrees? So many trading days? A planetary aspect?
>
> If planets can aspect, can numbers as well?
>
> There is a story about people speaking different languages.
> It is called the 'Tower of Babble'.
>
> When they began speaking different languages they became more intent on
> destroying one another rather than noticing that what they both were
saying
> was much the same and that they could each learn from the other.
>
> Babyloningly,
> Darrin
>
>
>
>
> >To: Darrin Vernier <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>, realtraders
> ><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:15:54 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >Darrin Vernier wrote:
> >
> > > Norman has an analog clock with hands that say 3:00.
> > > Bryce has a digital clock that says 3:00.
> > >
> > > Can you choose which one is right, or is there a different way of
> >looking at
> > > this?
> > >
> > > With Utmost Respect,
> > > Darrin
> > >
> > > P.S. Unleash the hounds...
> >
> >Darrin,
> >
> > Sorry, I don't understand how your metaphor or analagy relates to the
> >current
> >attack by Bryce on me? A more apropriate analogy would be: Bryce says,
> >"anyone
> >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
Therefore,
> >Norman is a coo coo. By the way, my clock says it is time to for everyone
> >to
> >check out my website where I have the latest line of clocks."
> >
> >CooCooingly,
> >
> >Norman
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:46:17 -0800
> > > >
> > > > Ref:
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.eGroups.com/group/get_traders/146.html?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > >
> > > > > BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting
to
> >see
> > > >if they
> > > > > publish this.
> > > > > Bryce.
> > > > >
> > > > NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now
prove
> > > > that you don't know what you are talking about which will surely
> > > > reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert. Please
> > > > see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post.
> > > >
> > > > > Bryce Gilmore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To Real Traders,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > > trust you
> > > > > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> > > > don't
> > > > know
> > > > > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> > > > which bus
> > > > > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> > > > freak
> > > > only
> > > > > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way
of
> > > > exciting
> > > > > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
he
> > > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > > resistance
> > > > and
> > > > > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
periods
> > > > between
> > > > > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
options
> > > > become
> > > > > limitless.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > > astrology
> > > > > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman
W
> > > > who
> > > > claim
> > > > > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> > > > able to
> > > > > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
astrology
> > > > aspect
> > > > > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > >
> > > > NW: I will now refer you and the list to a book that is
commonly
> > > > available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading
Systems
> > > > & Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons, ISBN
> > > > 0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy
of
> > > > Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the right
of
> > > > the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that curvey
> > > > funny looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you
don't
> > > > think so? Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher and
> > > > about two inches to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed
by
> > > > a "30" and an arrow pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you
knew
> > > > any Astrology, you would know that means that the funny looking 4
is
> > > > the glyph for Jupiter, the 30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is the
> > > > glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius. Still don't believe it?
Just
> > > > check an ephemeris (table of planetary
> > > > tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you
will
> > > > see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the
chart
> > > > was drawn. To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is
all
> > > > over that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't use
> > > > Astrology, why did he bother to have hand drawn all those intricate
> > > > Astrological symbols on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he shows
> > > > Mars
> > > > forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the Soybean
> > > > market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said
Gann
> > > > went short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
> > > > "primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real deal
> > > > by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann
experts
> > > > long before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read
my
> > > > essay, "What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann" on this subject
which
> > > > was published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with Astrological
> > > > indications all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I
didn't
> > > > plant those Astrological symbols on the chart. My essay was
published
> > > > in Traders's World Magazine circa 1988 and is now offered as part
of
> > > > their archive collection. You can check their website,
> > > > <http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive index, and you will
> > > > see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology by Norman
> > > > Winski"..
> > > > So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight. But,
> > > > perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
> > > > will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study Astrology.
I
> > > >
> > > > may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be
able
> > > > to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
> > > > Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just a one time
fluke,
> > > > I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references. I
> > > > think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to
miss
> > > > class in the future. <G>
> > > >
> > > > Cosmically,
> > > >
> > > > Norman Winski
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real
> > > > trader. <G> Oh my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader
> > > > website, http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and
found
> > > > the following.
> > > >
> > > > "Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
> > > >
> > > > Bryce's new book gives you the methodology and the software
> > > > gives you the
> > > > ways and means to research the effect of planetary phenomenon
> > > > on
> > > > markets!"
> > > >
> > > > So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products
and
> > > > then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
> > > > Case closed! Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my chain
> > > > huh?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > >
> > > > > To Real Traders,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > > trust you
> > > > > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> > > > don't
> > > > know
> > > > > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> > > > which bus
> > > > > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> > > > freak
> > > > only
> > > > > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way
of
> > > > exciting
> > > > > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
he
> > > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > > resistance
> > > > and
> > > > > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
periods
> > > > between
> > > > > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
options
> > > > become
> > > > > limitless.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > > astrology
> > > > > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman
W
> > > > who
> > > > claim
> > > > > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> > > > able to
> > > > > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
astrology
> > > > aspect
> > > > > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "nwinski" nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > To: vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > Cc: realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which
does
> > > > the
> > > > best
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > teaching the subject . What are the groups thoughts ?
> > > > thanks tom
> > > > > > vaughan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is my Gann test. If the teacher doesn't know
> > > > Astrology, they
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > know Gann. That should
> > > > > > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying to learn Gann
> > > > until you
> > > > > have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are welcome to contact me by private e-mail if you
have
> > > > > questions,
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Co(s)mically,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to study
> > > > Gann's
> > > > > > writings.
> > > > > > > He loves to play with
> > > > > > > your brain. <G>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
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