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Norman,
Bryce is not only focused, but also Australian. From what I've seen of them
on his newsgroup, they don't care to understand what 'politically correct'
means. Very brash and outspoken. For them, it serves a purpose.
Bryce is extremely focused on the hammer and nails that he uses to
accomplish his goals. I once tried to talk saws to him and almost came away
with blisters. I took it personally at first, but then I realized Bryce is
exactly who he needs to be to do what Bryce does.
So is Norman, in an entirely different way.
That's 'why' I look forward to both of your postings.
Same planet, two different views.
As I see it neither 'needs' defending.
As long as you both believe that, you both win.
And we get to hear both of you return to what you do best.
Darrin
>From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>CC: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [RT] Re: Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
>Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:34:36 -0800
>
>
>
>Darrin Vernier wrote:
>
> > Norman,
> >
> > >Bryce says, "anyone
> > >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
> >
> > What makes you believe that Bryce isn't using a clock?
> >
> > If you believe he isn't using a clock then what he uses isn't, to you.
> >
> > >From what I have seen of Bryce, he sees two kinds of clocks.
> >
> > He learned to tell time with both, and found that FOR HIM, one was more
> > accurate and applicable to his trading.
> >
> > The reverse might be true for you.
> >
> > You're both holding a different part of the same elephant.
> > Looking at different aspects of the same clock.
> >
> > Is it more productive to argue about whether the elephant is a tree or
>an
> > angel, or to see the whole elephant?
> >
> > Does the same hold true for clocks?
> >
> > When is a circle not a circle?
> >
> > Is 3:00 90 degrees? So many trading days? A planetary aspect?
> >
> > If planets can aspect, can numbers as well?
> >
> > There is a story about people speaking different languages.
> > It is called the 'Tower of Babble'.
> >
> > When they began speaking different languages they became more intent on
> > destroying one another rather than noticing that what they both were
>saying
> > was much the same and that they could each learn from the other.
> >
> > Babyloningly,
> > Darrin,
>
> Darrin,
>
> I agree. You have argued my point well. Bryce indicted me for using
>Astrology, when in fact he apparently is also using Astrology. I am all for
>learning from others. In fact, I tried to contact Bryce several times,
>about 10
>years ago, leaving messages on his answering machine. But, he never
>returned my
>calls. I have not corresponded or talked to Bryce since I briefly met him
>at a
>1989 conference where I was a speaker. Now, out of left field comes this
>hypocritical attack. He has probably never even looked at a sample of my
>work,
>let alone corresponded with me. He is in no position to judge me. He must
>have a
>list of possible competitors on a wheel, he spins the pointer, and sees who
>will
>be his next "victim of the week". I guess it was my turn this week.
>Ironically,
>it seems while trying to shoot me, he shot himself in the foot.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Norman
>
>
> >
> >
> > >To: Darrin Vernier <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>, realtraders
> > ><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:15:54 -0800
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Darrin Vernier wrote:
> > >
> > > > Norman has an analog clock with hands that say 3:00.
> > > > Bryce has a digital clock that says 3:00.
> > > >
> > > > Can you choose which one is right, or is there a different way of
> > >looking at
> > > > this?
> > > >
> > > > With Utmost Respect,
> > > > Darrin
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Unleash the hounds...
> > >
> > >Darrin,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I don't understand how your metaphor or analagy relates to
>the
> > >current
> > >attack by Bryce on me? A more apropriate analogy would be: Bryce
>says,
> > >"anyone
> > >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
>Therefore,
> > >Norman is a coo coo. By the way, my clock says it is time to for
>everyone
> > >to
> > >check out my website where I have the latest line of clocks."
> > >
> > >CooCooingly,
> > >
> > >Norman
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Reply-To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:46:17 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > > Ref:
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.eGroups.com/group/get_traders/146.html?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > > >
> > > > > > BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting
>to
> > >see
> > > > >if they
> > > > > > publish this.
> > > > > > Bryce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now
>prove
> > > > > that you don't know what you are talking about which will surely
> > > > > reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert.
>Please
> > > > > see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bryce Gilmore wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To Real Traders,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > > > trust you
> > > > > > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but
>I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > know
> > > > > > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not
>sure
> > > > > which bus
> > > > > > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an
>astrology
> > > > > freak
> > > > > only
> > > > > > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural
>cycles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a
>way of
> > > > > exciting
> > > > > > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
>he
> > > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > > > resistance
> > > > > and
> > > > > > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
>periods
> > > > > between
> > > > > > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
>options
> > > > > become
> > > > > > limitless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > > > astrology
> > > > > > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as
>Norman W
> > > > > who
> > > > > claim
> > > > > > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never
>be
> > > > > able to
> > > > > > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
>astrology
> > > > > aspect
> > > > > > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > > >
> > > > > NW: I will now refer you and the list to a book that is
>commonly
> > > > > available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading
>Systems
> > > > > & Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons, ISBN
> > > > > 0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy
>of
> > > > > Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the
>right of
> > > > > the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that
>curvey
> > > > > funny looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you
>don't
> > > > > think so? Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher
>and
> > > > > about two inches to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed
>by
> > > > > a "30" and an arrow pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you
>knew
> > > > > any Astrology, you would know that means that the funny looking 4
>is
> > > > > the glyph for Jupiter, the 30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is
>the
> > > > > glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius. Still don't believe it?
>Just
> > > > > check an ephemeris (table of planetary
> > > > > tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you
>will
> > > > > see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the
>chart
> > > > > was drawn. To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is
>all
> > > > > over that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't
>use
> > > > > Astrology, why did he bother to have hand drawn all those
>intricate
> > > > > Astrological symbols on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he
>shows
> > > > > Mars
> > > > > forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the
>Soybean
> > > > > market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said
>Gann
> > > > > went short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
> > > > > "primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real
>deal
> > > > > by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann
>experts
> > > > > long before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read
>my
> > > > > essay, "What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann" on this subject
>which
> > > > > was published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with
>Astrological
> > > > > indications all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I
>didn't
> > > > > plant those Astrological symbols on the chart. My essay was
>published
> > > > > in Traders's World Magazine circa 1988 and is now offered as part
>of
> > > > > their archive collection. You can check their website,
> > > > > <http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive index, and you
>will
> > > > > see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology by Norman
> > > > > Winski"..
> > > > > So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight.
>But,
> > > > > perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
> > > > > will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study
>Astrology. I
> > > > >
> > > > > may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be
>able
> > > > > to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
> > > > > Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just a one time
>fluke,
> > > > > I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references. I
> > > > > think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to
>miss
> > > > > class in the future. <G>
> > > > >
> > > > > Cosmically,
> > > > >
> > > > > Norman Winski
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real
> > > > > trader. <G> Oh my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader
> > > > > website, http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and
>found
> > > > > the following.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bryce's new book gives you the methodology and the software
> > > > > gives you the
> > > > > ways and means to research the effect of planetary
>phenomenon
> > > > > on
> > > > > markets!"
> > > > >
> > > > > So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products
>and
> > > > > then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
> > > > > Case closed! Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my
>chain
> > > > > huh?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > > >
> > > > > > To Real Traders,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > > > trust you
> > > > > > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but
>I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > know
> > > > > > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not
>sure
> > > > > which bus
> > > > > > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an
>astrology
> > > > > freak
> > > > > only
> > > > > > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural
>cycles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a
>way of
> > > > > exciting
> > > > > > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
>he
> > > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > > > resistance
> > > > > and
> > > > > > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
>periods
> > > > > between
> > > > > > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
>options
> > > > > become
> > > > > > limitless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > > > astrology
> > > > > > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as
>Norman W
> > > > > who
> > > > > claim
> > > > > > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never
>be
> > > > > able to
> > > > > > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
>astrology
> > > > > aspect
> > > > > > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "nwinski" nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > To: vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Cc: realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which
>does
> > > > > the
> > > > > best
> > > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > teaching the subject . What are the groups thoughts ?
> > > > > thanks tom
> > > > > > > vaughan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is my Gann test. If the teacher doesn't know
> > > > > Astrology, they
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > know Gann. That should
> > > > > > > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying to learn Gann
> > > > > until you
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You are welcome to contact me by private e-mail if you
>have
> > > > > > questions,
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Co(s)mically,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to
>study
> > > > > Gann's
> > > > > > > writings.
> > > > > > > > He loves to play with
> > > > > > > > your brain. <G>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
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