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James,
Post well received. However, you stated the following, "Could we please
examine the possibility, of a little more tolerance to different points of
view, and manners of expression?"
My answer, "different points of view are fine and encouraged. However,
IT IS the manner of expression that particularly concerns me". Since the
beginning of RealTraders, we have tried to make this forum a place where
"Professional" can exchange ideas and knowledge in a 'comprehensive and
educational' manner. And that is still my objective. If we begin allowing
everyone the reign of 'free speech', without controls, how soon will it be
before everyone begins bragging, bolstering and then finally insulting
other members on the list. Let alone the increased amount of spamming that
will take place. At which point anarchy will rule and there will be no
point in having a Moderator. Simply, the Forum will turn into a Chat room
and I for one know that is not what I want. Further, from what I have been
told by other members, they are not looking for that either. Thus we have
established the policies that we have laid forth.
As you may know, over the last few years, we have lost a lot of those
'professional'. Not because of our 'restricitive' policies but because
they could not continue with the quantity of daily postings and often the
lack of equally stimulating responses. Unfortunately, this is
understandable but that is why I strive for above average posting from our
existing members. Such as your post below... well written, thought out,
complete and comprehensive... enjoyable to read and thought provoking. I
don't really think I/we are asking for too much but we are asking for
something that is different from every other 'Trading' forum on the Internet.
Finally, I for one, as a full-time trader, monitor this forum for
nothing. But have been given the ability, by Eddie Kwong (the creator of
this forum), to help maintain an arena that can be respected among the
trading community as a place where 'professional' can meet to exchange
trading ideas. They have to abide by the same 'rules and regulations' as
everybody else and as you probably know, some have been removed due to
their advertising. I think we are fair and that we do not ask for too much
except for comprehensive and complete post regarding trading that are
'presented' in a professional manner. I can not stress this point enough.
Thank you,
John Boggio
PS I will gladly except comments privately so as to not tie up the Forum.
At 01:27 AM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
>John, Eddie, The In-Group, and the rest of us,
>
>I have been a member of this forum for over a year. Rarely have I ever
>posted anything to the forum. I've been through MurryMath, the
>Ratchford follies, and many other longstanding unpleasant grudges.
>Having observed much of this, I can honestly say I have learned very
>little about trading from the forum itself. Occassionally I do get a
>gem or directions to a useful website, but for the most part I've
>absorbed how to survive the membership: What to say, how to say it,
>What not to say, and Who not to cross. None of this is useful in
>trading of course, but very necessary to being a member here.
>
>The fact that someone gets removed is not the issue. The fact that
>members can form a successful witchhunt is a little unsettling. We had
>our own version of Nosterdomus. He called it his way. He explained it
>his way, and the fact remains, it happened the way he said it would
>happen. No one was being forced to read his comments or trade his
>style. Personally I did not care whether he was right or wrong, it
>wasn't my money on the line. It appears however that it outraged, the
>In-Crowd. Why? I just don't get it.
>
>Let me say this. I personally don't have the SuperDuper Encore 3000,
>complete with charts from the Ice Age during the first Global Warming
>period prior to the fall of Atlantis. Some people do. I don't get
>whatever it is they are talking about - not ever - maybe it's me, maybe
>it isn't. I also don't get the complex formulas ....
>[10 squared divided by the y-axis + Todays High - Todays Low etc.etc.]
>and yet we have formulas for everything. But, I've heard it over and
>over again, you can't pick Tops or Bottoms. The Market is always right.
>No system works all the time. These things go in cycles ... yet forum
>members go on and on, with great conviction about "what is going on in
>the market." Does anyone ever get removed for this - I can't recall
>any. We get a blast about Moving Averages - in depth - then finally
>someone will say, "but you can't trade 'em cause they are all lagging
>indicators." So, we get a guy who says "hold up a piece of paper to
>your computer screen and observe the uptrend is broken" -or- the
>infamous "BirdsBeak" theory. What's the difference between "BirdsBeaks"
>and 1-2-3 Tops & Bottoms, or Predidential Cycles, or Planetary
>Influences? The question is, how do we trade these "thoughts" of ours?
>Unless someone is willing to step up and tell us all exactly what works,
>I don't think they should be able to screen out what doesn't work.
>
>Ya Know Guys .... if I came into this forum and politely introduced
>myself as just returning from a research trip where I correlated the
>mating season of the African Spider with the DJIA Index, I would not get
>"run." I guarantee it. I could say that my studies revealed
>interesting comparisons on the 3rd week of every Month beginning with
>the Letter "J." At this point a discussion would ensue about the months
>of January, June, and July. I could throw in the fact that when Mercury
>goes Retrograde I had a 100% accuracy level between the Afican Spiders
>mating habits & the DJIA Index. Could anybody disprove me? No, because
>we'd all talk about it, but nobody would start raising African Spiders.
>As long as I properly labeled the topic "Futures: Afican Spiders," I
>would meet our forum guidelines. NoBody on this forum would trade the
>African Spider method and that would be that. So don't trade the
>BirdsBeak, but don't censor it, please!
>
>There are a lot of people on this forum. There are silent participants
>and there are vocal participants. We can't learn to trade, or how not
>to trade with personal agendas intact. "Yes" is the open road, and "No"
>is the path that ends all. A forum needs to express itself, without the
>threat of reprisals (the boot). Was the man selling anything? - No.
>Did anyone here buy anything? - no. Did anyone get burned? - no.
>Did "some" people take issue to his manner - Yes ..... What is all that
>about? So you disagree - Delete the Subject Matter - end of story!
>
>Why do we continue to do this? We are not all at the same level. What
>bores you, might be of interest to someone else. A final comment to the
>policemen of our group .... you can't save anyone from themselves. We
>are all going to get our knees scraped and our knuckles bloodied. It
>happened to you guys, it's happening to us, and that is just the way it
>appears the learning curve establishes itself.
>
>If I've offended anyone reading this, then you are personalizing the
>intent of this post. I have not quoted anyone, or singled anyone out.
>There is a group consciousness to this forum. It's not yours, it's not
>mine, it's not even John's or Eddie's. It is a Group Consciousness.
>If it were not for John & Eddie there'd be no RT Group, and if it were
>not for "all of us" there be no RT Group for John & Eddie. Could we
>please examine the possibility, of a little more tolerance to different
>points of view, and manners of expression?
>
>Have A Good Week,
>James
>
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