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Re: REALTRADERS digest 734


  • To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: REALTRADERS digest 734
  • From: Dominick Mattioni <Dominick@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:49:05 -0800
  • In-reply-to: <199803240005.QAA24347@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

PureBytes Links

Trading Reference Links

I have an AcerView 54e 15" and a Optiquest(viewsonic) 19" dual monitor setup.
I think the Acer is a good monitor and would buy one if needed.

Dominick

realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>                             REALTRADERS Digest 734
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
>   1) Re: Computers
>         by ChrisPR1 <ChrisPR1@xxxxxxx>
>   2) The Raff regression
>         by DBS111 <DBS111@xxxxxxx>
>   3) Fut Bond Monday Pivots
>         by John Dundee <jdundee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   4) RE: The Raff regression
>         by "Proeber, Tim" <TProeber@xxxxxxxxxx>
>   5) Re: Computers
>         by "Girish Patel, M.D." <girish@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>   6) GEN - Raff regression channel
>         by BobRABCDEF <BobRABCDEF@xxxxxxx>
>   7) GEN - Raff regression channel
>         by BobRABCDEF <BobRABCDEF@xxxxxxx>
>   8) Re: Jeff Cooper Hit and Run and 5 Day momentum
>         by Jeff Hudis <jhudis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>   9) Options recommendations
>         by Jim Streit <jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  10) Re: Options recommendations
>         by "Allan L. Kaminsky" <allank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  11) Fwd: Options recommendations
>         by KCSpread <KCSpread@xxxxxxx>
>  12) Re: Options recommendations
>         by Intel55 <Intel55@xxxxxxx>
>  13) Re: on line stock brokers
>         by NPedersen <NPedersen@xxxxxxx>
>  14) Fw: Options recommendations
>         by "Graham Critchley" <gcc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  15) Re: GEN: Systems Are NOT Us
>         by "narayan c.k." <ckn58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  16) Volitility
>         by "De Vries, Trevor" <Trevor.DeVries@xxxxxxxxxx>
>  17) Re: GEN: Systems Are NOT Us
>         by "Aleksandr V. Yermatchenko" <ataman@xxxxxxxxx>
>  18) MKT: sentimenet - bullish
>         by Jeff Walker <jwalker@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  19)
>         by "Jean-Noel TRIBOLO" <jntribolo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  20) PC Quote 6.0
>         by "RANDALL L. REED" <75231.2457@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  21) Re:
>         by "Chuck" <Crff@xxxxxxxxxx>
>  22) Admin Realtraders Objectives and Policy Directives 3/23/98
>         by "G.John Boggio" <boggio@xxxxxxxxx>
>  23) Testing, Please Ignore
>         by Chance Warner <donotreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  24) test
>         by "pisani@xxxxxxxx" <pisani@xxxxxxxx>
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Computers
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:14:49 EST
> From: ChrisPR1 <ChrisPR1@xxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I'm looking to upgrade my current computer system, and in my pursuit i found a
> factory outlet selling new Acer comps...
> 32MB Ram, 4.1GB HD, 24x CD, 56K Modem, 3D sound and speakers, 1.44MB,
> keyboard, mouse, and various programs...$700 new
> I haven't really heard of the Acer brand name, though.  At least not on the
> level as a dell, cpq, or gtw...Anyone have any opinions about the Acer name
> brand?
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: The Raff regression
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:24:02 EST
> From: DBS111 <DBS111@xxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Does anyone have the ela code for "The Raff regression "?
> Thanks in advance,
> Mark
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Fut Bond Monday Pivots
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:28:22 -0600
> From: John Dundee <jdundee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
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>
> Subject: RE: The Raff regression
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:29:04 -0600
> From: "Proeber, Tim" <TProeber@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> No,
>
> But I want it too.  I have the book and I think it is good.
>
> tproeber@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DBS111 [SMTP:DBS111@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 1998 7:24 PM
> > To:   RealTraders Discussion Group
> > Subject:      The Raff regression
> >
> > Does anyone have the ela code for "The Raff regression "?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Mark
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Computers
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:41:12 -0800
> From: "Girish Patel, M.D." <girish@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ChrisPR1@xxxxxxx, Realtrader Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I do not know Acer, but what is the proessor speed of this computer?
>
> 32 MB RAM will not be sufficient.  You will soon be looking for more memory for
> speed.  Personally, I will buy the best there is, because 3-6 months from now this
> $700 system will be worthless for you.
>
> Girish Patel, M.D.
>
> ChrisPR1 wrote:
>
> > I'm looking to upgrade my current computer system, and in my pursuit i found a
> > factory outlet selling new Acer comps...
> > 32MB Ram, 4.1GB HD, 24x CD, 56K Modem, 3D sound and speakers, 1.44MB,
> > keyboard, mouse, and various programs...$700 new
> > I haven't really heard of the Acer brand name, though.  At least not on the
> > level as a dell, cpq, or gtw...Anyone have any opinions about the Acer name
> > brand?
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   Girish Patel, M.D. <girish@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>   Girish Patel, M.D.
>     <girish@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     Netscape Conference Address
>     Netscape Conference DLS Server
>   Additional Information:
>   Last Name  Patel, M.D.
>   First Name Girish
>   Version    2.1
>
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>
> Subject: GEN - Raff regression channel
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:04:23 EST
> From: BobRABCDEF <BobRABCDEF@xxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Here is one view of the Raff regression channel applied to the OEX.  The basic
> idea is the channel lines act as chaos attractors that price is drawn to and
> where change in trends are likely to occur.  This particular chart  has four
> channels with each starting at a significant low point that touched the lower
> channel line.  The data for the long blue channel started in 1/95 and ended in
> 1/98.  Its lines were then extended to the right.  The last channel(grey) was
> started in 1/98 and intersected the blue channel on Friday.  If the blue
> channel data is updated to include up to Friday 3/20 then the intersection is
> extended out to 3/27 with the OEX  at 529.xx.  See post following this one.
>
> BobR
> http://www.oextrader.com
>
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>
> Subject: GEN - Raff regression channel
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:07:07 EST
> From: BobRABCDEF <BobRABCDEF@xxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Attached is a close up view of the previous channel updated to include closing
> data on 3/20 for the longer term blue channel.  The lower plot is a projection
> oscillator that can be used with the regression channel.  Both indicators are
> standard in MetaStock 6.5.
>
> BobR
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Jeff Cooper Hit and Run and 5 Day momentum
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:39:11 -0800
> From: Jeff Hudis <jhudis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: alfie@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I would imagine that you could apply it to any chart but I must admit
> that I really don't know enough about futures to answer your question.
> I would be interested in hearing what a futures expert would say.
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Options recommendations
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:45:26 -0600
> From: Jim Streit <jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Does anyone have any advice on what are some decent option books or
> videos.  Maybe some advice what to stay a way from?  Any opinions on
> McMillan, Caplan, or Ken Trester's  books or videos.
>
> jim Streit
> jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Options recommendations
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:22:20 -0700
> From: "Allan L. Kaminsky" <allank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Both of McMillan's books are outstanding.
>
> Allan
> ___________________________________
>
> Jim Streit wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice on what are some decent option books or
> > videos.  Maybe some advice what to stay a way from?  Any opinions on
> > McMillan, Caplan, or Ken Trester's  books or videos.
> >
> > jim Streit
> > jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Fwd: Options recommendations
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:48:22 EST
> From: KCSpread <KCSpread@xxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> In a message dated 98-03-22 22:46:56 EST, jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
> << Does anyone have any advice on what are some decent option books or
>  videos.  Maybe some advice what to stay a way from?  Any opinions on
>  McMillan, Caplan, or Ken Trester's  books or videos. >>
>
> McMillian's good.  After you finish that one try Cottle's book "Options:
> Perception & Deception".
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Options recommendations
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:45:26 -0600
> From: Jim Streit <jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Does anyone have any advice on what are some decent option books or
> videos.  Maybe some advice what to stay a way from?  Any opinions on
> McMillan, Caplan, or Ken Trester's  books or videos.
>
> jim Streit
> jstreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Options recommendations
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:00:00 EST
> From: Intel55 <Intel55@xxxxxxx>
> To: KCSpread@xxxxxxx, realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Shelly Natenberg's book....the best
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: on line stock brokers
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:08:28 EST
> From: NPedersen <NPedersen@xxxxxxx>
> To: rtobiass@xxxxxxx, realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> You problem is exactly why I will only use electronic brokers that have a
> direct dial line into their computer such as E*Trade (and others).  Their
> prices are higher than I like and I have considered leaving them numerous
> times but I can always (almost) get through on their direct line and
> place/change my orders.  The Internet, as a rule is too slow for me and I
> frequently log off, go to the "E*trade Navigator" and make my trades.  Without
> this feature I doubt if I would be making any money any money at all.
>
> Norm
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Fw: Options recommendations
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:48:32 +1100
> From: "Graham Critchley" <gcc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "RT Discussion Group" <REALTRADERS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Agreed, plus Bookstaber
>
> Graham Critchley
> Box 330
> South Melbourne VIC 3205
> AUSTRALIA
>
> Phone      0416 171 006
> Intl Ph      61 416 171 006
> E-Mail      gcc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----------
> > From: Intel55 <Intel55@xxxxxxx>
> > To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Options recommendations
> > Date: Monday, 23 March 1998 17:00
> >
> > Shelly Natenberg's book....the best
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: GEN: Systems Are NOT Us
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:33:49 PST
> From: "narayan c.k." <ckn58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, bfulks@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> >"Push the up-arrow key when the trend changes to up" and totally
> disregard the actions!
>
> Bob ,
>
> Great post!. In fact the entire discussion started off by Ric Ingram on
> this subject has been excellent. I particularly enjoyed the views
> expressed by Pete.
>
> I think the desire to prove our own"smartness" and ability to read more
> into a situation than what is being signalled by the system is what
> leads to problems with systems. There is no denying the fact that the
> biggest variable in a trading system is the trader himself. Developing
> the discipline necessary to execute the signals seems to be the biggest
> stumbling block for most traders. With so many inputs flowing through
> everyday that we trade, it is so very difficult to keep them at bay.
> While this in itself may be the very reason that we have a system, I
> feel it is vital that we spend most of our time working on our psyche
> rather than on the system.
>
> Dr.Narayan
> Bombay, India.
>
> ______________________________________________________
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>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Volitility
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:52:00 -0600
> From: "De Vries, Trevor" <Trevor.DeVries@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "RealTraders Discussion Group (E-mail)" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> R'Ters
>
> What would be the best method of tracking volitility on commodity options.
> I'm looking at trading options using volitility only. ie sell high
> volitility, buy low vols.
> I've read Joe Ross's book "Optures & Futions" (excellent). Could you
> recommend any others?
>
> Regards
>
> Trevor De Vries
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: GEN: Systems Are NOT Us
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:49:18 +0300
> From: "Aleksandr V. Yermatchenko" <ataman@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: bfulks@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi from Moscow, Russia.
>
> Bob Fulks wrote:
>
> > At 8:58 AM -0500 3/22/98, A.J. Carisse wrote:
>
> ..................
>
> >
> >
> > The problem with most programmed trading systems designed by individuals is
> > that they are programmed to handle only a small number of cases, "normal
> > situations", requiring you to break in and use your judgement frequently
> > when the market stops being "normal". The good ones have more and more
> > complex code to handle more and more of the special cases.
> >
> > Bob Fulks
>
> It's not a fact.
> 1. I am a mathematician, but I like a technical analysis.
>     Because it is a method of analysis derived by functions.
>     Year ago we carryed out a test some software.
>     We use the stock market' data window from 09/01/95 to 01/05/97.
>     We have decided this problem by means of following systems and methods:
> Tech. Analisis - "Windows on WallStreet" and "MetaStock for Windows".
> Decision trees - "SIPINA",
> Genetic algoritms - "GeneHunter",
> Neuro networks- "OWL" and "NeuroShell",
> Case based reasoning - "Pattern Recognition Workbench",
> Non linear regression - "Mathematica for Windows".
>
> Only two methods have ensured significant results on real market data:
> case based reasoning and tech. analisis.
>
> 2. IMHO trading - it's not a game/ And we are dealers, not players.
> 3. We only -
>          -a) Enter into the market
>          -b) Exit from.
>     We separate indicators by three groups:
>         -a) "What are the market"(market power) - like MACD, Smoothed RSI or
> Force.
>         -b) "What to do" - divergency convergency.
>         -c) "When to do" - usually some classical and custom oscillators and
> stat. methods.
> And therefore we not forecast market but find signals (or rules) to ENTER and
> EXIT.
> "Enter" signals(rules) can be different "Exit" signals. "Stop price" is an
> "Exit" signal also.
> And Fibonacci helps us understand "targets" of trend (if it is present).
>
> If signals from one group contradicts each other - we are nothing to do.
> If signals from different groups contradicts each other - we use our rules
> (for example Elder's "triple screen").
> 4. What we try to forecast.
>      Power of market only.
> We come in expanding market to buy and leave (or short sale),
>  if decide that market is not so.
> ---------
> Dear Bob. Sorry  I don't know what it is "normal situations". It is like girl
> losing virginity. It may be normal to me but ubnormal to her mother...  :-)
>
> Sorry for my bad English. Successes,
> Aleks.
> --
> UIN: 303275
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: MKT: sentimenet - bullish
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:16:33 -0700
> From: Jeff Walker <jwalker@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Traders,
>
> Here is this weeks numbers:
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
>                 LOWRISK.COM
>
>          INVESTOR SENTIMENT SURVEY
>
>                  3 / 23 / 98
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Below are the results of our weekly "Guess the Dow" sentiment survey. The
> survey was taken from 3/16 through 3/22 on our web site.
>
> Number of participants: 347
>
> 30 day outlook:
>
> 64% bullish,  33% last week
> 23% bearish,  31% last week
> 13% neutral,  35% last week
>
> (percentages may not sum to 100 due to rounding)
>
> Median guess for the DJIA closing value on Friday, 3/27: 8747   (it was
> 8560 last week). More complete sentiment data is available at
> <http://www.lowrisk.com/sentiment.htm> .
>
> Bullish sentiment surged 31% this week to 64%. Bearish sentiment dropped to
> 23%, while the neutral camp dropped to 13%. While this is to be expected in
> the wake of last weeks rallies, we consider readings of 60%+ to be
> dangerously high. The current market has a lot of momentum, but this type
> of sentiment reading usually marks impending weakness.
>
> Please stop by to take part in this weeks survey at:
> http://www.lowrisk.com/guess.htm
> More sentiment data is at: http://www.lowrisk.com/sentiment.htm
>
> best regards,
> Jeff Walker
>
> -----------------------------
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> "subscribe" in the body of the message.
>
> jwalker@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> http://www.lowrisk.com
>
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>
> Subject:
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 15:13:51 PST
> From: "Jean-Noel TRIBOLO" <jntribolo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Traders newsgroup" <REALTRADERS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi..
>
> I am trying to find a free download of an binomial function for Excel 97.
> Does anyone know a site ?
> Thanks.
>
> JNT
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: PC Quote 6.0
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:01:00 -0500
> From: "RANDALL L. REED" <75231.2457@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "REALTRADERS@xxxxxxxxxx" <REALTRADERS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> To RT's,
>
> Has anyone used PC Quote 6.0 realtime?
>
> How do you like it?
>
> What do you use it for?
>
> Randy
>
>                                                   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re:
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:56:19 -0500
> From: "Chuck" <Crff@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jntribolo@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
>      "RealTraders Discussion Group" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I believe the OptionCalc at the below url is what you are looking for??
>
> http://www.fintools.com/frame_downloads.html
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Noel TRIBOLO <jntribolo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 9:28 AM
>
> Hi..
>
> I am trying to find a free download of an binomial function for Excel 97.
> Does anyone know a site ?
> Thanks.
>
> JNT
>
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>
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>
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> Market Geometry  http://www.realtraders.com/geometricforecasting
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> Subject: Testing, Please Ignore
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:03:56 -0800
> From: Chance Warner <donotreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Testing e-mail from netvigator.com domain.  Please ignore.
>
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>
> Subject: test
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:31:14 -0400
> From: "pisani@xxxxxxxx" <pisani@xxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> test - sorry