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Re: Re[2]: TradersStudio?

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 Jimmy you are right.
I like Tradestation. I have learned enough to do most of what I need. I have also paid others to do stuff. Even have bought some indicators from others. That is no problem.
And the newbie did think that it would be easy. But, they got that idea from Omega. They advertised. No programming. It is easy. EASY LANGUAGE.
One thing I have found out over the years. You deffinately don't have to be a programmer to make money trading. Most of the traders I personaly know, don't program much at all and the few programmers that I have bought stuff from or worked with on some code didn't trade at all.
I think that may be one of the big problems with some of the trading softeware companies. They seem to make trading software for programmers first. Not traders. Many real traders have started just using the simple easy software that every brokerage in the world offers right on their website.
Yes. I know. Most lose. But most lose period. And probably if you checked. More lose using the programmers software than the simple easy stuff.
I remember way back when it seemed Omega was pushing being a solution provider or be a reseller of their software more than actual trading with the software.

Anyway. How did all of this get started?
All I wanted know is a little about this new TradersStudio software. :)
And after all of this. It seems nobody knows anything about it.
One did say that it didn't have the man hours. How they knew that, I have no idea.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy" <jhsnowden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bob Fulks" <bfulks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Omega-List" <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:33 PM
Subject: Re[2]: TradersStudio?


TS2ki and TS4 are obsolete and I'm sure TS8 is great.  I would simply
like to use 8 but not Tradestation data.  I like choices.

You are dead on about learning to program.  The poor newbies actually
thought Easy Language would be easy.  Well it kind of is but building
a useful code is not so easy with my abilities and I would expect many
of the newbies that bought it also and are buying TS8 now.  Many
newbies want it all for no effort.

Jimmy

Monday, January 17, 2005, 11:13:00 AM, you wrote:

BF> At 11:11 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote:


Has anyone tried or knows anything about TradersStudio?



If it works and is even just equal to TradeStation, I would think
they would have a big market as long as TradeStation codes can
really be used and the charting and system testing is good and they
keep it updated at a reasonable cost and don't change something in
the updates so what you have now will not work without some extra
programming.



BF> Creating an application like TradeStation would require tens
BF> of man-years of effort so it is unlikely that TradersStudio is
BF> even 5% of TradeStation. Of course, if that is the 5% you like and
BF> use, you might find it to be OK.





That is one thing I never understood about TradeStation..  They
marketed it to the newbie and made upgrades as if all users were
programmers and enjoyed programming for fun ...



BF> The idea of products like TradeStation was to allow you to
BF> create and backtest your trading ideas before trying them with
BF> real money. If you think you can do this without learning some
BF> programming you are fooling yourself.





...and left some users stranded on some products.



BF> Software is not a "product" like a TV set. It is a "service"
BF> that requires continuous updates and support that you should
BF> expect to pay for. You are only "stranded" if you choose not to
BF> upgrade. It is your fault, not theirs.

BF> All software requires upgrades from time to time as the
BF> operating systems and data formats change. It is surprising that
BF> old versions such as TS4 and TS2000i still work at all on current
BF> OS versions. How anybody can expect to be using the same software
BF> version year after year without installing upgrades is beyond me.
BF> Would you still be using the 1999 version of your virus checking
BF> software?

BF> And the features of the newer versions are much, much better
BF> than the old versions. Occasionally, I have to fire up TS2000i to
BF> look at some old data and find that it sure seems obsolete by TS8
BF> standards...





There are many who still use the stand alone TradeStation and
probably would never go to the brokerage system.




BF> You do not have to use the TradeStation brokerage to use TradeStation 
8.



BF> Bob Fulks









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Best regards,

Jimmy                            mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx