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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Roos" <rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> The leaders of the fanatics do *not*
> want to be killed nor do they believe in the preposterous propaganda of
> immediate ascent into heaven for dastardly deeds.
I agree. The manipulators are seldom believers themselves. Does Bin Laden
want to be with Allah? I doubt it. If he did, he could just drop us a line
with
return address. We could Fedex him overnight.
> In addition, I challenge any Islamic individual (or others) to present
any
> evidence from the Koran or other *generally accepted* Islamic scripture
that
> condones killing in the name of Allah.
I'm not sure about this but I believe that even a Jihad is restricted to
military opposition and explicity denounces the use of force against
innocent civilians.
> The killing that we will do is to send a message that *any* assault upon
us
> will be returned ten thousand fold. In the process we will decapitate
their
> leadership. There will be many "sleepers" still to respond to, but if
they
> act, the new leadership will *know* in advance that the retribution will
be
> extreme.
Is it not a new leadership that would be the best solution? Maybe even the
majority of the population over there would welcome it too. Surely any
lasting change has to come from within. Very few Germans want to be Nazis
these days and it's not because of the threat of being bombed every couple
of months. The Japanese also have a different mindset now.
If, for example we deposed Saddam (... should have done it the first time
'cos if he isn't the real perpetrator of this, then I'm a monkey's uncle)
and replaced him with say, a King Hussein of Jordan type. We then ensure an
element of safety and support for the new pro-peace-with-Israel regime. The
new leaders bestow upon the people of Iraq, the same level of freedom (or
greater) that has been enjoyed and embraced by the Jordanians.
(We could go for the same freedom that New Yorkers have but I don't think
Iraq is ready for a sexually liberal Yashmak 54 night club just yet)
The people of Iraq 'eventually' warm to the new way of life (I dunno - no
wealthy democracy has ever reverted - has it?).
All the time this transformation is taking place, the goals of the would-be
terrorists would become increasingly difficult and would be met with stiff
opposition from their own people. This is where we really want to get to.
It wouldn't be easy and it'll take time but there is a very real chance that
terrorism might become as attractive to the Iraqis as being a Nazi is to
modern-day Germans. Is this too simplistic?
Rgds,
Kim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Johnson" <jejohn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Gary Fritz" <fritz@xxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re[2]: THE ANSWER
>
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> First, I wouldn't rule it out entirely. Depends on whether it is an
> irritant or significant threat to security or way of life in our
> country or others. So far Christian mysticism isn 't at that level
> now. If Christian fanatics were were bombing schools or whatever in
> UK, for example, I would support our government in weakening them to
> the point that were no longer a threat.
>
> Secondly, I make no pretense to equal treatment here. That we follow
> the same rules we impose on others is just another form of mysticism.
> This is power geo-politics, proposals people can't refuse.
>
> Finally, my response was to one aspect of what I believe to a
> multi-dimensional. It won't be simple; if it is it will fail.
>
> I'm open to hear any approach and incorporate it into my views. What
> are you thinking we should do?
>
> Friday, September 14, 2001, 2:45:19 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> OK as far as you go. I agree that mysticism/religion is at the route
> >> of much evil. I would argue that your assumption (posing as a
> >> question) "How do you plan to find every person who is willing to give
> >> his life (and take yours) for some "higher power"? Are you able to
> >> read the minds of everyone on earth? "
> >>
> >> Those things simply are not required. You weaken suppress eviscerate
> >> those individuals to the point that as a group they are an irritant
> >> rather than a world force.
>
> GF> Easy to say. But realize that OM included ALL forms of mysticism in
> GF> his definition, including Christianity. Somehow I don't think you'll
> GF> find an American government willing to "weaken suppress eviscerate"
> GF> the "Christian mysticism" in this country. Even though it is the
> GF> cause of much strife.
>
> GF> He also included all forms of patriotism and nationalism as calls to
> GF> "higher powers." Gonna shoot all the flag-waving Americans?
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Jim mailto:jejohn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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