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Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Using Metastock to trade FUTURES?



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KS,

50 points is around 0.5 ATR for the Dow. That's a little lower than I
would have expected.... 

--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
<formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> When I get in a trade I trade the chart range of the Dow so when it 
> hits a support or a resistance area I buy or sell it and put stops 
> about 50 points above resistance and 50 below support for my stops. 
> That is around $250.00 per mini contract risk. I always us 25
points 
> also if I can't clearly define the trend. And if the range of the 
> trend holds then I move my stop down to my buy area and let it ride 
> down as far as possible to hit support or vice versa or reistance. 
> Let profits ride and cut your losses quickly. You can always get 
> back in.
> KS.
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser" 
> <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > When you catch a trend on YM, what do you trail by?
> > 
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > About 2 months on average.
> > > KS
> > > Just trade two mini contracts it is equal to 1 Big Dow contract 
> and 
> > > just exit all the positions at the end of day and re-enter when 
> the 
> > > Big Board opens again. Since the E-mini is electronic it is one 
> of 
> > > the cheapest round turn costs. You should talk to your IB about 
> the 
> > > costs. If you trade the dow correctly even the spikes at night 
> don't 
> > > matter on the mini dow because the gain is already in so the 
> spikes 
> > > don't get near your stop.
> > > KS.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser" 
> > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > KS,
> > > > 
> > > > Yes I'm noticing that mini Dow (YM) is more trendy than
e-mini 
> S&P
> > > > (ES). The nighttime spikes on mini Dow are a problem for 
> position
> > > > traders so I'm looking at the Big Dow but I'm not sure how 
> suitable
> > > > the Big Dow is for retail traders -- for example, it is pit-
> traded 
> > > and
> > > > I can't use IB for it...
> > > > 
> > > > How many days-in-trade, on average, was one of your 600 point 
> runs?
> > > > 
> > > > Do you trade the Big S&P ($250 points)?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Andy
> > > > 
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Dow has veen very trendy the past two years. I've alraady 
> traded 
> > > > > about 6 major trades this year. the prvious year around 8 
> all 
> > > year 
> > > > > long. The average trade was about 600 points long and
short. 
> > > That is 
> > > > > about $3,000.00 per contract on the dow mini and $6,000.00 
> per 
> > > > > contract on the Big Dow. Just multiply the profit with the 
> > > amount of 
> > > > > contracts and you can see it has been a very good year and
a 
> > > half.
> > > > > KS.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v" <entinv@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > KS,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As you mentioned good trend trades happen only several 
> times a 
> > > > > year.  How
> > > > > > many trades a year
> > > > > > do you make on average?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >    Vladimir
> > > > > >   -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >   From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of 
> > > formulaprimer
> > > > > >   Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:26 AM
> > > > > >   To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Using Metastock to 
> trade 
> > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   One more thing. I trade between 1-100 contracts sizes
of 
> the 
> > > dow
> > > > > >   mini's.  The maximum position one could hold on the 
> minis 
> > > before
> > > > > >   having to declare is 2500 contracts or it could be 
> doubled 
> > > to 
> > > > > 5000
> > > > > >   contracts I haven't checked recently. So it is pretty 
> broad. 
> > > I 
> > > > > still
> > > > > >   use the same money management plan.
> > > > > >   KS.
> > > > > >   example: with 1 lot I test the trend and will handle a 
> > > $250.00 
> > > > > loss.
> > > > > >   With a major trend I will enter 100 lot and will suffer 
> a 
> > > > > $25,000.00
> > > > > >   draw down with a profit to reward ratio of 3:1. I will 
> never 
> > > > > enter a
> > > > > >   large position trade without a 3:1 risk to reward
ratio. 
> > > > > Basically
> > > > > >   if i risk $25,000.00  I must return $75,000.00 in 
> profit. 
> > > Keep in
> > > > > >   mind major trend trades happen a several times a year.
> > > > > >   KS.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > >   <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > The funds move the market and the commercials hedge 
> the 
> > > market.
> > > > > >   The
> > > > > >   > big money is made by the funds and they trade the Big 
> > > Board. 
> > > > > The
> > > > > >   > mini has too many artificial spikes from overnight 
> trading 
> > > or
> > > > > >   small
> > > > > >   > lot traders getting overdone in a situation.
Basically 
> the 
> > > Big
> > > > > >   Board
> > > > > >   > is a more technically sound chart. This is always the 
> case.
> > > > > >   > KS.
> > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > >   > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > KS, one more: Why not chart the minis? Why trade by 
> the 
> > > Big
> > > > > >   > Contracts
> > > > > >   > > and enter in the mini contracts?
> > > > > >   > >
> > > > > >   > > Thanks!
> > > > > >   > >
> > > > > >   > >
> > > > > >   > >
> > > > > >   > > --- In 
> equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > >   > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > I think the dow mini is $5 a point and and the 
> full 
> > > dow 
> > > > > future
> > > > > >   > > > contract is 10$ a point. That is what i go on. 
1% 
> of 
> > > of my
> > > > > >   > initial
> > > > > >   > > > margin of $2500 is $25 dollars which is 5 points. 
> This 
> > > is 
> > > > > of
> > > > > >   > course
> > > > > >   > > > when I do random entry technique. Other wise from 
> my
> > > > > >   experience
> > > > > >   > if
> > > > > >   > > > the dow moves more than 50 points against me I 
> usually 
> > > get
> > > > > >   out.
> > > > > >   > That
> > > > > >   > > > is just my experience but it could be different 
> for 
> > > others.
> > > > > >   > > > KS.
> > > > > >   > > >
> > > > > >   > > > --- In 
> equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > >   > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > I trade daily, intraday, or position
depending 
> on 
> > > how 
> > > > > the
> > > > > >   > charts
> > > > > >   > > > > > look.  The reason I say "no sleep" is that I 
> don't 
> > > put
> > > > > >   stops
> > > > > >   > in
> > > > > >   > > > > > because all electronic orders can be viewed
by 
> > > other
> > > > > >   traders
> > > > > >   > > > because
> > > > > >   > > > > > the real time quotes puts them up for 
> everybody to 
> > > see.
> > > > > >   This
> > > > > >   > > > means
> > > > > >   > > > > > that stops will get picked off. You will 
> > > experience 
> > > > > this
> > > > > >   for
> > > > > >   > > > > > yourself, when it goes down to hit your stop 
> and 
> > > then
> > > > > >   > proceeds
> > > > > >   > > > to go
> > > > > >   > > > > > back up again.  Since it is electronic it
means
> > > > > >   > instantaneous
> > > > > >   > > > fills
> > > > > >   > > > > > or close to it.  When the price hits my loss 
> > > target I 
> > > > > put
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > order
> > > > > >   > > > > > in at the market, This is the stop process
the 
> > > Turtles
> > > > > >   made
> > > > > >   > > > famous
> > > > > >   > > > > > and is probably the only thing that is useful 
> from 
> > > what
> > > > > >   they
> > > > > >   > > > > > originally did.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > KS, doesn't hiding your stops only matter if
you 
> are 
> > > > > trading
> > > > > >   > very
> > > > > >   > > > > large positions? Also if you are using wider 
> stops 
> > > in the
> > > > > >   case
> > > > > >   > of
> > > > > >   > > > > position trading (say 2 ATRs) then is getting 
> your 
> > > stops
> > > > > >   > picked off
> > > > > >   > > > > still a problem, given the wider stops?
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > >Of course I'm referring to electronic markets 
> of dow
> > > > > >   > > > > > mini and others. I do not trade the pit 
> contracts 
> > > > > unless
> > > > > >   I'm
> > > > > >   > > > > > position trading even then I prefer the 
> > > electronic.  
> > > > > The
> > > > > >   > > > leverage or
> > > > > >   > > > > > granularity you talk about is only relevant
if 
> you 
> > > talk
> > > > > >   > about
> > > > > >   > > > risk.
> > > > > >   > > > > > The higher the point value the greater the 
> risk to 
> > > > > reward
> > > > > >   > ratio.
> > > > > >   > > > If
> > > > > >   > > > > > you are beginning i would recommend the dow 
> mini 
> > > > > contract.
> > > > > >   > $5
> > > > > >   > > > > > dollars a point and $2500.00 a contract. 
> > > Volatility 
> > > > > meters
> > > > > >   > and
> > > > > >   > > > price
> > > > > >   > > > > > range can help with money management portion 
> of the
> > > > > >   trading.
> > > > > >   > The
> > > > > >   > > > Dow
> > > > > >   > > > > > market are the easiest to trade because they 
> trade 
> > > in a
> > > > > >   > range
> > > > > >   > > > bound
> > > > > >   > > > > > pattern. Take a look at a historical chart of 
> the 
> > > dow
> > > > > >   > futures
> > > > > >   > > > > > contract. Do not chart the mini. Trade by the 
> Big
> > > > > >   Contracts
> > > > > >   > and
> > > > > >   > > > > > enter in the mini contracts.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > This is a big disconnect for me. Why trade by 
> the Big
> > > > > >   > Contracts and
> > > > > >   > > > > enter in the mini contracts? Why not chart the 
> minis?
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > (example of my last trade would be: I shorted 
> the 
> > > mini 
> > > > > sep
> > > > > >   > dow
> > > > > >   > > > at
> > > > > >   > > > > > 10700 with a target stop loss of 50 points or 
> > > $250.00 
> > > > > and
> > > > > >   it
> > > > > >   > > > went to
> > > > > >   > > > > > 10734 and collapsed to 10580 which then I 
> exited 
> > > at the
> > > > > >   > market
> > > > > >   > > > > > because it hit trend line support. I checked 
> the 
> > > stop
> > > > > >   orders
> > > > > >   > > > place
> > > > > >   > > > > > at the time the market went to 10734 and the 
> last 
> > > stop
> > > > > >   order
> > > > > >   > was
> > > > > >   > > > at
> > > > > >   > > > > > that price 10734, then the market collapsed. 
> So the
> > > > > >   > reasoning is
> > > > > >   > > > > > that if I could see it the big leverage 
> players 
> > > will 
> > > > > move
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > market
> > > > > >   > > > > > to pick off the buy stop and let the market
go 
> > > down to 
> > > > > its
> > > > > >   > > > proper
> > > > > >   > > > > > trend.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > I see your point. Again, if 10734 was for a 
> small 
> > > number 
> > > > > of
> > > > > >   > > > contracts,
> > > > > >   > > > > the big players may not have walked the index
up 
> > > there to
> > > > > >   take
> > > > > >   > out
> > > > > >   > > > a
> > > > > >   > > > > few contracts... but who knows. Your example 
> uses a 
> > > 50 
> > > > > point
> > > > > >   > stop.
> > > > > >   > > > 1
> > > > > >   > > > > ATR is around 95 points, so if this was a 
> position 
> > > trade,
> > > > > >   > isn't the
> > > > > >   > > > > stop a bit tight?
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > >My stop method is from years of experience in 
> this 
> > > > > market
> > > > > >   > > > > > and requires the ability to immediately exit
a 
> > > trade 
> > > > > when
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > target
> > > > > >   > > > > > stop loss is hit. It does not matter if it 
> goes 
> > > back 
> > > > > down.
> > > > > >   > You
> > > > > >   > > > get
> > > > > >   > > > > > out. Any change in this money management 
> technique 
> > > will
> > > > > >   > cause
> > > > > >   > > > losses.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > Yes, I understand, discipline.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > One quick note : I tested with real money
with 
> a 
> > > coin
> > > > > >   flip.
> > > > > >   > I
> > > > > >   > > > > > entered long if it is heads and short if it
is 
> > > tails. I
> > > > > >   put
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > stop
> > > > > >   > > > > > loss at 1% or $25.00 or 5 ticks.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > I don't follow. 5 ticks is 0.05% of the Dow 
> > > (5/10000). 
> > > > > How
> > > > > >   do
> > > > > >   > you
> > > > > >   > > > get 1%?
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > With this money management
> > > > > >   > > > > > technique I was profitable.  Basically random 
> > > entry 
> > > > > into
> > > > > >   the
> > > > > >   > > > market
> > > > > >   > > > > > with a proper money management system made it 
> > > > > profitable.
> > > > > >   > > > Trading
> > > > > >   > > > > > is 90% money management 10% technical. I use 
> to 
> > > think 
> > > > > it
> > > > > >   was
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > other way around but it took awhile to figure 
> this 
> > > out.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > I completely agree. THanks so much for your 
> > > comments, KS.
> > > > > >   > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > KS.
> > > > > >   > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > --- In 
> > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > >   > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > KS,
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > If you don't mind a few questions:
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > 1) Do you daytrade ES and YM or trade multi-
> day?
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > 2) Do you see any benefit from the added 
> > > granularity 
> > > > > of
> > > > > >   YM
> > > > > >   > > > over ES
> > > > > >   > > > > > > (i.e. YM tick is $1, ES tick is $0.25, but 
> YM is 
> > > 10x 
> > > > > ES
> > > > > >   > which
> > > > > >   > > > means
> > > > > >   > > > > > > ES=$0.25 and YM=$0.10 in apples-to-apples). 
> Does 
> > > YM's
> > > > > >   finer
> > > > > >   > > > > > > granularity allow your stops to be shaken 
> out 
> > > less?
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > 3) Leveraging cuts both ways, but e-mini 
> traders 
> > > only
> > > > > >   > speak of
> > > > > >   > > > it's
> > > > > >   > > > > > > goodness (as you are confirming). Why is 
> that? 
> > > Have 
> > > > > you
> > > > > >   > never
> > > > > >   > > > been
> > > > > >   > > > > > > hurt by the high leverage?
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > 4) "Sleep is not an option because of night 
> > > trading".
> > > > > >   I'm
> > > > > >   > > > assuming
> > > > > >   > > > > > > vigilant stop placement for ES/YM
end-of-day 
> > > traders
> > > > > >   > allows
> > > > > >   > > > for
> > > > > >   > > > > > sleep?
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > Thank you for your help, KS.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > Andy.
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > >   > > > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > I can't speak for anybody else but I have 
> been 
> > > > > trading
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > Dow
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > Futures and Dow Mini and S&P mini since
it 
> > > began. 
> > > > > Once
> > > > > >   > you
> > > > > >   > > > trade
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > them you will never go back to stocks. It 
> is 
> > > > > because
> > > > > >   of
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > leveraging.  All the indexes move in 
> direct 
> > > > > relation
> > > > > >   to
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > Stock
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > Market indexes so any long term direction 
> must 
> > > be 
> > > > > done
> > > > > >   > with
> > > > > >   > > > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > Big
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > Board not the mini's.  Be warned the
Night 
> > > Trading
> > > > > >   moves
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > market
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > tremendously sometimes and sometimes
sleep 
> is 
> > > not 
> > > > > an
> > > > > >   > option.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > Otherwise if your technical analysis is
at 
> a 
> > > high
> > > > > >   level
> > > > > >   > you
> > > > > >   > > > will
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > like it. August issue of Futures magazine 
> I 
> > > think 
> > > > > has
> > > > > >   a
> > > > > >   > good
> > > > > >   > > > > > article
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > on options.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Vladimir,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to answer 
> my
> > > > > >   questions.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > In your experience, how would you 
> compare 
> > > trading
> > > > > >   the
> > > > > >   > > > index
> > > > > >   > > > > > versus
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > trading the futures? For example, 
> trading ES 
> > > vs.
> > > > > >   SPX,
> > > > > >   > or
> > > > > >   > > > NQ vs.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > QQQQ,... I know the leverage is very 
> > > different, 
> > > > > but
> > > > > >   > > > besides
> > > > > >   > > > > > that
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > how
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > has your experience been?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > I have heard that once a trader moves 
> from
> > > > > >   > stocks/indexes
> > > > > >   > > > to
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > futures,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > they never return to stocks...
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > --- In 
> equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > >   > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > >   > > > wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > From my experience future always
track 
> the 
> > > > > index.
> > > > > >   > For
> > > > > >   > > > > > example
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > either you
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > trade QQQQ or NQ
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > the only real difference is the 
> leverage.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > Comparing futures to equities if you 
> mean
> > > > > >   individual
> > > > > >   > > > stocks,
> > > > > >   > > > > > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > future
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > never goes bankrupt therefore it's
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > safer to buy.  Futures, both 
> commodities 
> > > and
> > > > > >   indexes
> > > > > >   > > > appear
> > > > > >   > > > > > to
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > better comply
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > with the technical analysis
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > studies in comparison with individual 
> > > stocks.
> > > > > >   Many
> > > > > >   > > > > > individual
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > stocks are
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > not liquid enough to trade and
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > those most liquid would track 
> corresponding
> > > > > >   > > > industry/group
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > indexes.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > Never heard about Track N TRade 
> before.  
> > > Looks
> > > > > >   > > > interesting
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > [mailto:equismetas
tock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On 
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > >   Of
> > > > > >   > > > > > metastkuser
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 
> 11:56 PM
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] 
> Using
> > > > > >   > Metastock to
> > > > > >   > > > > > trade
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   Vladimir,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   "It doesn't provide continuous 
> > > contracts, but
> > > > > >   for
> > > > > >   > ES
> > > > > >   > > > and
> > > > > >   > > > > > YM
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > you can
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   use SPY/SPX and DIA/DJI if you need 
> > > longer 
> > > > > term
> > > > > >   > > > picture."
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >     -- yes, it occured to me that I 
> can 
> > > use SPX
> > > > > >   > instead
> > > > > >   > > > of
> > > > > >   > > > > > ES,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > and DIA
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   instead of YM. But, does the future 
> > > always 
> > > > > track
> > > > > >   > the
> > > > > >   > > > > > index?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > Wouldn't
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   the future move much faster than
the 
> > > index if
> > > > > >   the
> > > > > >   > > > index
> > > > > >   > > > > > made a
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > sudden
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   large move?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   How do you like trading futures 
> compared 
> > > to
> > > > > >   > equities?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   By the way, have you heard of Track 
> N 
> > > Trade 
> > > > > for
> > > > > >   > > > > > backtesting
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > futures?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   --- In 
> > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > >   > > > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > >   > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > For EOD futures I'm using HSQuote 
> from
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > 
> http://www.downloadjunction.com/product/software/4358/
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > It doesn't provide continuous 
> > > contracts, 
> > > > > but
> > > > > >   for
> > > > > >   > ES
> > > > > >   > > > and
> > > > > >   > > > > > YM
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > you
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > can use
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > SPY/SPX and DIA/DJI if you
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > need longer term picture.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > Intraday I'm using MetaServer RT 
> for
> > > > > >   > > > Interactivebrokers.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > I don't trade options on futures.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > Regards,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >     Vladimir
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   From: 
> equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   > 
> [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > > >   Behalf
> > > > > >   > Of
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > metastkuser
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 
> 8:18 
> > > PM
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   To: 
> equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock 
> Group] 
> > > Using
> > > > > >   > > > Metastock to
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   Vladimir,
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   If you don't mind answering a 
> couple 
> > > of
> > > > > >   > questions:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   1) I'm only interested in S&P 
> 500 e-
> > > mini
> > > > > >   (ES)
> > > > > >   > and
> > > > > >   > > > mini-
> > > > > >   > > > > > Dow
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > (YM). I use
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   Reuters for stock/indices
end-of-
> day 
> > > > > data. I
> > > > > >   > don't
> > > > > >   > > > > > want to
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > pay
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   omplete futures eod package. Do 
> you 
> > > know
> > > > > >   where
> > > > > >   > I
> > > > > >   > > > can
> > > > > >   > > > > > get
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > eod
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > data for
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   just ES and YM?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   2) Options on futures. I 
> currently 
> > > trade
> > > > > >   > options
> > > > > >   > > > credit
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > spreads on SPX
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   and would like to try credit 
> spreads 
> > > on 
> > > > > ES
> > > > > >   and
> > > > > >   > YM.
> > > > > >   > > > Do
> > > > > >   > > > > > you
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   options on futures? Can 
> Metastock 
> > > support
> > > > > >   this?
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   --- In 
> > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > >   > > > > > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   > Yes, I do.
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   > Vladimir
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   From: 
> > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   > 
> > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On
> > > > > >   > Behalf
> > > > > >   > > > Of
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > metastkuser
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   Sent: Saturday, August 20, 
> 2005 
> > > 5:53 
> > > > > PM
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   To: 
> > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   Subject: [EquisMetaStock 
> Group] 
> > > Using
> > > > > >   > > > Metastock to
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> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > FUTURES?
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> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >
> > > > > >   > > > > > > > > >   >   >   Anyone using MS to trade 
> futures?
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