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If one spends a lot of time entering a position. Using all the
indicators and trading templates etc. and the Dow moves 50 points
against you. One needs to revaluate the analysis, maybe something
was missed from my experience.
KS.
--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
<andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> KS,
>
> 50 points is around 0.5 ATR for the Dow. That's a little lower
than I
> would have expected....
>
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > When I get in a trade I trade the chart range of the Dow so when
it
> > hits a support or a resistance area I buy or sell it and put
stops
> > about 50 points above resistance and 50 below support for my
stops.
> > That is around $250.00 per mini contract risk. I always us 25
> points
> > also if I can't clearly define the trend. And if the range of
the
> > trend holds then I move my stop down to my buy area and let it
ride
> > down as far as possible to hit support or vice versa or
reistance.
> > Let profits ride and cut your losses quickly. You can always get
> > back in.
> > KS.
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > When you catch a trend on YM, what do you trail by?
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > About 2 months on average.
> > > > KS
> > > > Just trade two mini contracts it is equal to 1 Big Dow
contract
> > and
> > > > just exit all the positions at the end of day and re-enter
when
> > the
> > > > Big Board opens again. Since the E-mini is electronic it is
one
> > of
> > > > the cheapest round turn costs. You should talk to your IB
about
> > the
> > > > costs. If you trade the dow correctly even the spikes at
night
> > don't
> > > > matter on the mini dow because the gain is already in so the
> > spikes
> > > > don't get near your stop.
> > > > KS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > KS,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I'm noticing that mini Dow (YM) is more trendy than
> e-mini
> > S&P
> > > > > (ES). The nighttime spikes on mini Dow are a problem for
> > position
> > > > > traders so I'm looking at the Big Dow but I'm not sure how
> > suitable
> > > > > the Big Dow is for retail traders -- for example, it is
pit-
> > traded
> > > > and
> > > > > I can't use IB for it...
> > > > >
> > > > > How many days-in-trade, on average, was one of your 600
point
> > runs?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you trade the Big S&P ($250 points)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Dow has veen very trendy the past two years. I've
alraady
> > traded
> > > > > > about 6 major trades this year. the prvious year around
8
> > all
> > > > year
> > > > > > long. The average trade was about 600 points long and
> short.
> > > > That is
> > > > > > about $3,000.00 per contract on the dow mini and
$6,000.00
> > per
> > > > > > contract on the Big Dow. Just multiply the profit with
the
> > > > amount of
> > > > > > contracts and you can see it has been a very good year
and
> a
> > > > half.
> > > > > > KS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v" <entinv@xxxx>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > KS,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you mentioned good trend trades happen only several
> > times a
> > > > > > year. How
> > > > > > > many trades a year
> > > > > > > do you make on average?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > > > formulaprimer
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:26 AM
> > > > > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Using Metastock
to
> > trade
> > > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One more thing. I trade between 1-100 contracts sizes
> of
> > the
> > > > dow
> > > > > > > mini's. The maximum position one could hold on the
> > minis
> > > > before
> > > > > > > having to declare is 2500 contracts or it could be
> > doubled
> > > > to
> > > > > > 5000
> > > > > > > contracts I haven't checked recently. So it is
pretty
> > broad.
> > > > I
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > use the same money management plan.
> > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > > example: with 1 lot I test the trend and will handle
a
> > > > $250.00
> > > > > > loss.
> > > > > > > With a major trend I will enter 100 lot and will
suffer
> > a
> > > > > > $25,000.00
> > > > > > > draw down with a profit to reward ratio of 3:1. I
will
> > never
> > > > > > enter a
> > > > > > > large position trade without a 3:1 risk to reward
> ratio.
> > > > > > Basically
> > > > > > > if i risk $25,000.00 I must return $75,000.00 in
> > profit.
> > > > Keep in
> > > > > > > mind major trend trades happen a several times a
year.
> > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The funds move the market and the commercials
hedge
> > the
> > > > market.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > big money is made by the funds and they trade the
Big
> > > > Board.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > mini has too many artificial spikes from overnight
> > trading
> > > > or
> > > > > > > small
> > > > > > > > lot traders getting overdone in a situation.
> Basically
> > the
> > > > Big
> > > > > > > Board
> > > > > > > > is a more technically sound chart. This is always
the
> > case.
> > > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > KS, one more: Why not chart the minis? Why trade
by
> > the
> > > > Big
> > > > > > > > Contracts
> > > > > > > > > and enter in the mini contracts?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think the dow mini is $5 a point and and the
> > full
> > > > dow
> > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > > contract is 10$ a point. That is what i go on.
> 1%
> > of
> > > > of my
> > > > > > > > initial
> > > > > > > > > > margin of $2500 is $25 dollars which is 5
points.
> > This
> > > > is
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > when I do random entry technique. Other wise
from
> > my
> > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > the dow moves more than 50 points against me I
> > usually
> > > > get
> > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > That
> > > > > > > > > > is just my experience but it could be
different
> > for
> > > > others.
> > > > > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I trade daily, intraday, or position
> depending
> > on
> > > > how
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > charts
> > > > > > > > > > > > look. The reason I say "no sleep" is that
I
> > don't
> > > > put
> > > > > > > stops
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > because all electronic orders can be viewed
> by
> > > > other
> > > > > > > traders
> > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > the real time quotes puts them up for
> > everybody to
> > > > see.
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > that stops will get picked off. You will
> > > > experience
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, when it goes down to hit your
stop
> > and
> > > > then
> > > > > > > > proceeds
> > > > > > > > > > to go
> > > > > > > > > > > > back up again. Since it is electronic it
> means
> > > > > > > > instantaneous
> > > > > > > > > > fills
> > > > > > > > > > > > or close to it. When the price hits my
loss
> > > > target I
> > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > in at the market, This is the stop process
> the
> > > > Turtles
> > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > famous
> > > > > > > > > > > > and is probably the only thing that is
useful
> > from
> > > > what
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > originally did.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > KS, doesn't hiding your stops only matter if
> you
> > are
> > > > > > trading
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > large positions? Also if you are using wider
> > stops
> > > > in the
> > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > position trading (say 2 ATRs) then is
getting
> > your
> > > > stops
> > > > > > > > picked off
> > > > > > > > > > > still a problem, given the wider stops?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Of course I'm referring to electronic
markets
> > of dow
> > > > > > > > > > > > mini and others. I do not trade the pit
> > contracts
> > > > > > unless
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > position trading even then I prefer the
> > > > electronic.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > leverage or
> > > > > > > > > > > > granularity you talk about is only relevant
> if
> > you
> > > > talk
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > risk.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The higher the point value the greater the
> > risk to
> > > > > > reward
> > > > > > > > ratio.
> > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > you are beginning i would recommend the
dow
> > mini
> > > > > > contract.
> > > > > > > > $5
> > > > > > > > > > > > dollars a point and $2500.00 a contract.
> > > > Volatility
> > > > > > meters
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > price
> > > > > > > > > > > > range can help with money management
portion
> > of the
> > > > > > > trading.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > Dow
> > > > > > > > > > > > market are the easiest to trade because
they
> > trade
> > > > in a
> > > > > > > > range
> > > > > > > > > > bound
> > > > > > > > > > > > pattern. Take a look at a historical chart
of
> > the
> > > > dow
> > > > > > > > futures
> > > > > > > > > > > > contract. Do not chart the mini. Trade by
the
> > Big
> > > > > > > Contracts
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > enter in the mini contracts.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is a big disconnect for me. Why trade
by
> > the Big
> > > > > > > > Contracts and
> > > > > > > > > > > enter in the mini contracts? Why not chart
the
> > minis?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > (example of my last trade would be: I
shorted
> > the
> > > > mini
> > > > > > sep
> > > > > > > > dow
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > 10700 with a target stop loss of 50 points
or
> > > > $250.00
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > went to
> > > > > > > > > > > > 10734 and collapsed to 10580 which then I
> > exited
> > > > at the
> > > > > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > because it hit trend line support. I
checked
> > the
> > > > stop
> > > > > > > orders
> > > > > > > > > > place
> > > > > > > > > > > > at the time the market went to 10734 and
the
> > last
> > > > stop
> > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > that price 10734, then the market
collapsed.
> > So the
> > > > > > > > reasoning is
> > > > > > > > > > > > that if I could see it the big leverage
> > players
> > > > will
> > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > to pick off the buy stop and let the market
> go
> > > > down to
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > proper
> > > > > > > > > > > > trend.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I see your point. Again, if 10734 was for a
> > small
> > > > number
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > contracts,
> > > > > > > > > > > the big players may not have walked the index
> up
> > > > there to
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > few contracts... but who knows. Your example
> > uses a
> > > > 50
> > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > stop.
> > > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > > ATR is around 95 points, so if this was a
> > position
> > > > trade,
> > > > > > > > isn't the
> > > > > > > > > > > stop a bit tight?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >My stop method is from years of experience
in
> > this
> > > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > and requires the ability to immediately
exit
> a
> > > > trade
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > target
> > > > > > > > > > > > stop loss is hit. It does not matter if it
> > goes
> > > > back
> > > > > > down.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > > out. Any change in this money management
> > technique
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > > > > losses.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I understand, discipline.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One quick note : I tested with real money
> with
> > a
> > > > coin
> > > > > > > flip.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > entered long if it is heads and short if it
> is
> > > > tails. I
> > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > stop
> > > > > > > > > > > > loss at 1% or $25.00 or 5 ticks.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't follow. 5 ticks is 0.05% of the Dow
> > > > (5/10000).
> > > > > > How
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > get 1%?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > With this money management
> > > > > > > > > > > > technique I was profitable. Basically
random
> > > > entry
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > with a proper money management system made
it
> > > > > > profitable.
> > > > > > > > > > Trading
> > > > > > > > > > > > is 90% money management 10% technical. I
use
> > to
> > > > think
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > other way around but it took awhile to
figure
> > this
> > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree. THanks so much for your
> > > > comments, KS.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > > > > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > KS,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't mind a few questions:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Do you daytrade ES and YM or trade
multi-
> > day?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Do you see any benefit from the added
> > > > granularity
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > YM
> > > > > > > > > > over ES
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. YM tick is $1, ES tick is $0.25,
but
> > YM is
> > > > 10x
> > > > > > ES
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ES=$0.25 and YM=$0.10 in apples-to-
apples).
> > Does
> > > > YM's
> > > > > > > finer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > granularity allow your stops to be
shaken
> > out
> > > > less?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Leveraging cuts both ways, but e-mini
> > traders
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > speak of
> > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > goodness (as you are confirming). Why is
> > that?
> > > > Have
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hurt by the high leverage?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) "Sleep is not an option because of
night
> > > > trading".
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > assuming
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vigilant stop placement for ES/YM
> end-of-day
> > > > traders
> > > > > > > > allows
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > sleep?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your help, KS.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "formulaprimer"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <formulaprimer@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't speak for anybody else but I
have
> > been
> > > > > > trading
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Dow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Futures and Dow Mini and S&P mini since
> it
> > > > began.
> > > > > > Once
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them you will never go back to stocks.
It
> > is
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leveraging. All the indexes move in
> > direct
> > > > > > relation
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Stock
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Market indexes so any long term
direction
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Board not the mini's. Be warned the
> Night
> > > > Trading
> > > > > > > moves
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tremendously sometimes and sometimes
> sleep
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > option.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise if your technical analysis is
> at
> > a
> > > > high
> > > > > > > level
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like it. August issue of Futures
magazine
> > I
> > > > think
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on options.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KS.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "metastkuser"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <andysmith_999@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to
answer
> > my
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your experience, how would you
> > compare
> > > > trading
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > index
> > > > > > > > > > > > versus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trading the futures? For example,
> > trading ES
> > > > vs.
> > > > > > > SPX,
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > NQ vs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > QQQQ,... I know the leverage is very
> > > > different,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > besides
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has your experience been?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard that once a trader
moves
> > from
> > > > > > > > stocks/indexes
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > futures,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they never return to stocks...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > > > > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my experience future always
> track
> > the
> > > > > > index.
> > > > > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > > > > example
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trade QQQQ or NQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only real difference is the
> > leverage.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing futures to equities if
you
> > mean
> > > > > > > individual
> > > > > > > > > > stocks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never goes bankrupt therefore it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safer to buy. Futures, both
> > commodities
> > > > and
> > > > > > > indexes
> > > > > > > > > > appear
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better comply
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the technical analysis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies in comparison with
individual
> > > > stocks.
> > > > > > > Many
> > > > > > > > > > > > individual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stocks are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not liquid enough to trade and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those most liquid would track
> > corresponding
> > > > > > > > > > industry/group
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indexes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never heard about Track N TRade
> > before.
> > > > Looks
> > > > > > > > > > interesting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:equismetas
> tock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > metastkuser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005
> > 11:56 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock
Group]
> > Using
> > > > > > > > Metastock to
> > > > > > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It doesn't provide continuous
> > > > contracts, but
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > ES
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > YM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use SPY/SPX and DIA/DJI if you
need
> > > > longer
> > > > > > term
> > > > > > > > > > picture."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- yes, it occured to me that
I
> > can
> > > > use SPX
> > > > > > > > instead
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > ES,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and DIA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of YM. But, does the
future
> > > > always
> > > > > > track
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > index?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the future move much faster than
> the
> > > > index if
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > index
> > > > > > > > > > > > made a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sudden
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large move?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you like trading futures
> > compared
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > equities?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, have you heard of
Track
> > N
> > > > Trade
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > backtesting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > futures?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > > > > > > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For EOD futures I'm using
HSQuote
> > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > http://www.downloadjunction.com/product/software/4358/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't provide continuous
> > > > contracts,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > ES
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > YM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPY/SPX and DIA/DJI if you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need longer term picture.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Intraday I'm using MetaServer
RT
> > for
> > > > > > > > > > Interactivebrokers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't trade options on
futures.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On
> > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > metastkuser
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 20,
2005
> > 8:18
> > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:
> > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock
> > Group]
> > > > Using
> > > > > > > > > > Metastock to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FUTURES?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't mind answering
a
> > couple
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > questions:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I'm only interested in
S&P
> > 500 e-
> > > > mini
> > > > > > > (ES)
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > mini-
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dow
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (YM). I use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reuters for stock/indices
> end-of-
> > day
> > > > > > data. I
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > omplete futures eod package.
Do
> > you
> > > > know
> > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > eod
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just ES and YM?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Options on futures. I
> > currently
> > > > trade
> > > > > > > > options
> > > > > > > > > > credit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spreads on SPX
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and would like to try credit
> > spreads
> > > > on
> > > > > > ES
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > YM.
> > > > > > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > trade
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options on futures? Can
> > Metastock
> > > > support
> > > > > > > this?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "v"
> > > > > > > > > > > > <entinv@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I do.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > metastkuser
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> > 2005
> > > > 5:53
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