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Before this discussion gets skewed even more, Steve has credentials,
he has experience, he has his trading methods, and he has his track
record. There is no reason he shouldn't talk about his business
interests, CedarCreekTrading and the Daily Trade. It might not be
appropriate to tout money management services on here because this is
a trading board. Outside of that, I don't see why he can't tell people
on here what he has they might want.
It would be spam if Steve wasn't an active member of the group. He is,
so when he talks about what he is selling, that's not the same as
sending out spam. There is no qualifying level of how much "free"
support someone gives people on here before they can talk about what
they have, even if they charge money for it.
We've had a couple of people disguise what they were selling, publish
phoney reveiws, and do a few other things that were suspect. That's
probably not a good idea.
We have a couple of members who are span assasins. They attack
anything they think is spam as if they're uncovering a major
conspiracy to bring down the government. The government is safe, some
spam is going to get through, and it's not a conspiracy.
There will be people who will appreciate Steve's discussions and there
will be people who won't. The same is true for my posts.
If you don't appreciate my posts and don't like them, don't read them.
The same applies for Steve's posts. I don't have the posts emailed to
me. I go to the site a couple of times a day and read the ones I'm
interested in.
I'm a staunch promoter of Roy's newsletter because of the emails I get
from people telling me how much it has helped them and the emails I
get from people asking for help. If I'm too zealous for some, then
again stop reading my posts. It's not hard to do. I'm not forcing you
to read them.
If my posts or Steve's post bother you, don't read his posts. That's a
lot better than launching an attack because nothing is served by
getting into a pissing match, etc.
Since these boards are much like email, I find people forget to use
the same courtesy and restraint they would use in face to face
communication.
I understand why Rvalue posted what he did in response to Steve's
post, and I appreciate the support.
Steve has his style and approach to trading. His style may be very
effective for some of the people on here. I have my style which may
also be helpful to some. There is no one right way to trade.
I didn't like the language Steve used to portray my support of Roy's
newsletter. The word shill means one who poses as a satisfied customer
to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle. In other words, he
implied I was a crook. That sort of post is unnecessary, insulting,
far from reality and slanders me. It serves no one's interest to use
inflammatory language. I could have taken it as a personal attack and
answered back with an equally insulting response.
There are several things that Steve says in his posts and on his site
that I could take issue with. I could demean him and what he does
because throwing around crap is really easy. But what's the point. For
every one thing Steve does that I don't like, he probably does
something else I would like. It all depends on which pile I'm focusing
on. Am I looking at the pile of things he does that I do like, or the
pile of things he does that I don't like. Everybody has two piles. I
try to remember that before I fire off emails and posts that insult
other people.
Instead, let's try to treat each other as if we're talking at the
office or over lunch. Yeah, some people are annoying. We all are at
one time or another. On any given day we can go from genius to moron.
So there's no need to rush out and tell everyone when they are doing
something we don't like because tomorrow we'll do something that will
piss off a few people too.
This is like a closed room. We can't kick out all the people whose
personalities we don't like, so let's play nice in the sand box.
I hope Steve's new plug-in actually helps newbie's get the hang of
trading, and I hope he makes some money from it.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen other MS plug-ins that help newbies to
much of an extent. As I said in my first post on plug-ins, I've tested
a couple that are so, so. TradeOracle is a really nice programming
job, Bressert's is somewhat useful, ICE is interesting in the right
circumstances, but the others I don't see much utility in. That's my
opinion! Equis has a money back guarantee. I suggest you try the
plug-ins and use the money back offer Equis provides if you find that
a plug-in isn't useful for you. It only takes a couple of days to test
them. No one at Equis is going to bust your chops for returning a
plug-in or anything else they sell as long as you follow their policies.
Sorry if this post pisses some of you off. The only solution I see is
don't read it--starting from here.
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> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>
> Steve, Seen your name and website before. . Would like to see you
> less bothered with Super's web postings and instead contributing to
> this forum. You probably don't have the time to do that or "help"
> anyone here.. so why go after Super who does? For myself, I do
> appreciate all the suggestions he has made and also enjoy my
> subscription to MSTT. I have incorporated several of them, read books
> he has recommended. If you have the same type of background as he
> does, why don't you seriously contribute? Have I just missed your
> postings? Or do you just lurk in the background..
>
>
>
>
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading"
> <kernish@xxxx> wrote:
> > Super,
> >
> > Hey, no problem...you don't sound like a broken record...you sound
> like a shill (a huckster, a non-stop marketing, full-court press).
> For a forum that doesn't allow advertising and marketing, I'm still
> trying to figure out why pumrysh allows this day-to-day bombardment.
> So, Preston, does this mean that all posters that actually "help"
> people trade are allowed to pummel the list with unsolicited
> advertising? Or, is this forum just for "certain" people to
> advertise what they sell, everyday?? Inquiring minds want to know.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Steve
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: superfragalist
> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:05 PM
> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Metastock Add-Ons and Plug-Ins
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but I've used and/or
> > tested almost all of the plug-ins and none of them are very good
> in my
> > opinion, especially for a longer term investor. I've benched
> marked
> > the plug-ins against all of the systems I use daily, so I know how
> > they perform against my standards.
> >
> > The only one that's worth much is Bressert's, but it's really
> designed
> > for day trading. It can be used EOD also.
> >
> > Trade Oracle is almost the same as Performance systems but it has
> more
> > gloss on it. It's a lot of small formulas that catch an entry
> here or
> > there. Even though the formulas are simple, some of them work
> okay. As
> > far as exits go, there's nothing in there I would bother with.
> Trade
> > Oracle has the best front end of any MS product. Some of it is
> better
> > desgined and programmed than MS itself. It also costs nearly
> twice as
> > much.
> >
> > AlphOmega is Elliot wave wanta be stuff, but I think it uses peak
> and
> > through functions, which create their own problems.
> >
> > Chart patterns is so, so. Most patterns aren't reliable for a long
> > term trader. Some chart patterns in general seem to work okay, but
> > I've found higher probability ways to trade so I don't bother
> with too
> > much searching for patterns.
> >
> > Bollinger Bands was the least effective of the ones I looked at,
> at
> > least in my opinion. Candlesticks is okay, if you like candle
> sticks.
> > But there is no magic in there. Power Pivots is more peak and
> trough
> > functions.
> >
> > ICE is good for developing symbol specific systems. Most people
> who
> > buy it don't know how to use it properly. If they did they'd get
> much
> > better results. It's best for a trader who doesn't know anything
> about
> > systems development but wants to only trade a small group of
> stocks. I
> > like ICE because it will force you to struggle through systems
> > development exercises until you learn about systems development--
> well,
> > some people will learn!
> >
> > Trend Medium is curve fitting but on a daily basis. ETS is one I
> > haven't used--and I don't think many other people have either.
> > MetaMarket is so low on the fundamental analysis scale it doesn't
> > register as far as I'm concerned. SpyGlass is a mish-mash of old
> tools.
> >
> > Now for the broken record part. The absolute best add-on you can
> get
> > for MS is Roy's newsletter, even if you don't want to learn to
> program
> > your own functions. www.metastocktips.co.nz
> >
> > Roy realized from the beginning there was a limited market for
> > programming education so he added a lot of information on the
> systems
> > tester, explorations and now a trading series.
> >
> > I've tested and traded everything that's going into the first
> trading
> > series from Roy. In my opinion, all of the techniques in MSTT
> produce
> > better results than the other MS plug-ins and add-ons. The April
> and
> > May issues have some of the best information on trading using TA
> that
> > you're going to run across--well, again I should say, it's the
> > clearest, most logical trading information I've run across.
> Someone
> > else may have better stuff so if they do, I wish they would share
> it
> > with Roy's subscribers so I can get a chance to test it.
> >
> > Most people who try to use TA go off on an indicator fascination
> trip
> > trying to find the one or two indicators that work in every
> market and
> > find the best entries. That's a wild goose chase. (grail chase)
> >
> > Using TA to trade stocks is not that difficult, if you understand
> a
> > few fundemental things and you use the right strategy and
> approach to
> > markets. Most people don't. They start out thinking that TA is
> some
> > magic bullet that's going to make them rich. Or that a specific
> > indicator is going to tell then when to buy and sell a stock.
> >
> > After a couple of years chasing their butts, they figure out that
> > they've missed the boat. Some get lucky and stumble on something
> that
> > works okay for them, but most spend thousands of dollars
> listening to
> > guru's fill their heads full of crap, and then they still don't
> make
> > any money. The statistics that say that 95% of TA users and want-
> ta-be
> > traders fail is true. How can so many people be chasing the wrong
> stuff.
> >
> > Based on my experience, what's wrong is not TA itself, but the
> > strategy and approach newbie's take trying to figure out what to
> do
> > with it. Why do you think that MS DOES NOT come with a template
> that
> > allows everyone to make money as soon as they install MS on their
> > computers? Because there is no such thing, so Equis can't sell it
> to you.
> >
> > Making money using TA is not about having the right indicators,
> the
> > right plug-ins, the right guru chart setups--it's about how you
> see
> > the markets and understand what works and why it works and when
> it works.
> >
> > The reason I keep recommending Roy's newsletter is because it's
> has
> > information in it that will change the way people see trading. It
> will
> > open their eyes to how money can be made on a consistent basis.
> >
> > At this point, the skeptics are going to say, well if the stuff
> in it
> > works so well, why doesn't everyone use it. The techniques in
> Roy's
> > newsletter are simple. Some people like simple, some people don't.
> > Some are happy making 80% of the maximum amount they could make
> > without having to become a full time student of TA and get a Ph.D
> in
> > trading. Others want to move beyond the 80%, and they feel they're
> > willing to pay the price to get there, or at least lose everything
> > trying.
> >
> > That's fine. You only have to ask yourself a simple question--is
> what
> > I'm doing working or not!
> >
> > If it is: keep doing it. If it isn't, the cost of Roy's
> newsletter is
> > an inexpensive way to learn a lot of new stuff you didn't know
> and get
> > a chance to experiment with simple instead of complex. If it
> works for
> > you then it was worth many, many times it's price, and if it
> doesn't,
> > it was cheaper than a bunch of plug-ins that you have to sell on
> ebay.
> >
> > Yes, it has coding instruction, indicators, system tester
> information
> > and explorer information in it, so everyone can get something
> useful
> > out of it to apply to their trading. However, what I think is the
> most
> > useful part of the newsletter is the way it will change people's
> view
> > of trading and could help them find a strategy that's comfortable,
> > consistent and easy to execute.
> >
> > The April and May issues are going to consolidate many of the
> things
> > that have been said in back issues to this point. Then from June
> > through the next few months Roy is going to have articles telling
> you
> > how other traders do things so readers can contrast other's
> trading
> > methods and find what works best for them.
> >
> > Rather than give Equis $250 or more for plug-ins you're not going
> to
> > get anything out of, you be far better off giving Roy $180 for 18
> > months worth of learning about how use MS to make money.
> >
> > For those of you who are tired of hearing me say Roy's newsletter
> is
> > an important tool for learning to trade, sorry I bore you. I
> guess you
> > should stop reading my posts.
> >
> > If you're a subsriber, you know why I keep posting these
> messages, and
> > after May you'll feel even better about where you are and what
> you've
> > gotten.
> >
> > Maybe someone else will give you some feedback that one of the
> > plug-ins is the cat's meow when it comes to trading. I don't
> know.
> >
> > Have fun!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "calc103" <calc103@xxxx>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I have Metastock 8.0. I have been learning the system through
> > > Metastock Programming Study Guide. I am a buy-and-hold trader.
> > >
> > > I am prepared to purchase three Metastock Add-On or Plug-Ins.
> > >
> > > Which three would best suit my purpose?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice.
> > >
> > > calc103
> >
> >
> >
> >
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