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Well Superfragalist, I am glad you are on this list and you post the
way you do.
This industry is full of shonks and people that are straight out
dodgy. To have someone such as yourself post with comments on all
things related to trading is great. You obviously have a lot of
experience and are prepared to share it with us all. I can only speak
for myself when I say I appreciate it. The other people that are
fantastic (in my opinion) are Jose and Roy.
By the way, i did subscribe to Roys newsletter after it was plugged
by Superfragalist in about November last year. All I have to say is
that I think it is the best investment I have made related to trdaing.
We have Superfragalist always saying how great it is. SO WHAT, it is
great. I do have one critisism of it though for Roy (are you reading
this). I cant wait to get MSTT each month and what happens is that in
each edition Roy says what is coming NEXT month. I have wished most
of this year away, always hanging out for the next edition.
Anyway Super as far I am concerned, keep posting, let us know what
you think is good and what is rubbish.
By the way, I bought Joses URSC a couple of weeks ago (after it was
mentioned by Jim) and I emailed Jose with a query. I also wanted some
advice on how I could go about about modifying an explorer from uRSC.
All I wanted was after was alittle advice, Jose made the mod for me
and emailed it back later that night. All I can say is thanks Jose,
the service you provided was outstanding.
Regards
Steve Dawson
--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, superfragalist <no_reply@xxxx>
wrote:
>
> Before this discussion gets skewed even more, Steve has credentials,
> he has experience, he has his trading methods, and he has his track
> record. There is no reason he shouldn't talk about his business
> interests, CedarCreekTrading and the Daily Trade. It might not be
> appropriate to tout money management services on here because this
is
> a trading board. Outside of that, I don't see why he can't tell
people
> on here what he has they might want.
>
> It would be spam if Steve wasn't an active member of the group. He
is,
> so when he talks about what he is selling, that's not the same as
> sending out spam. There is no qualifying level of how much "free"
> support someone gives people on here before they can talk about what
> they have, even if they charge money for it.
>
> We've had a couple of people disguise what they were selling,
publish
> phoney reveiws, and do a few other things that were suspect. That's
> probably not a good idea.
>
> We have a couple of members who are span assasins. They attack
> anything they think is spam as if they're uncovering a major
> conspiracy to bring down the government. The government is safe,
some
> spam is going to get through, and it's not a conspiracy.
>
> There will be people who will appreciate Steve's discussions and
there
> will be people who won't. The same is true for my posts.
>
> If you don't appreciate my posts and don't like them, don't read
them.
> The same applies for Steve's posts. I don't have the posts emailed
to
> me. I go to the site a couple of times a day and read the ones I'm
> interested in.
>
> I'm a staunch promoter of Roy's newsletter because of the emails I
get
> from people telling me how much it has helped them and the emails I
> get from people asking for help. If I'm too zealous for some, then
> again stop reading my posts. It's not hard to do. I'm not forcing
you
> to read them.
>
> If my posts or Steve's post bother you, don't read his posts.
That's a
> lot better than launching an attack because nothing is served by
> getting into a pissing match, etc.
>
> Since these boards are much like email, I find people forget to use
> the same courtesy and restraint they would use in face to face
> communication.
>
> I understand why Rvalue posted what he did in response to Steve's
> post, and I appreciate the support.
>
> Steve has his style and approach to trading. His style may be very
> effective for some of the people on here. I have my style which may
> also be helpful to some. There is no one right way to trade.
>
> I didn't like the language Steve used to portray my support of Roy's
> newsletter. The word shill means one who poses as a satisfied
customer
> to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle. In other words,
he
> implied I was a crook. That sort of post is unnecessary, insulting,
> far from reality and slanders me. It serves no one's interest to use
> inflammatory language. I could have taken it as a personal attack
and
> answered back with an equally insulting response.
>
> There are several things that Steve says in his posts and on his
site
> that I could take issue with. I could demean him and what he does
> because throwing around crap is really easy. But what's the point.
For
> every one thing Steve does that I don't like, he probably does
> something else I would like. It all depends on which pile I'm
focusing
> on. Am I looking at the pile of things he does that I do like, or
the
> pile of things he does that I don't like. Everybody has two piles. I
> try to remember that before I fire off emails and posts that insult
> other people.
>
> Instead, let's try to treat each other as if we're talking at the
> office or over lunch. Yeah, some people are annoying. We all are at
> one time or another. On any given day we can go from genius to
moron.
> So there's no need to rush out and tell everyone when they are doing
> something we don't like because tomorrow we'll do something that
will
> piss off a few people too.
>
> This is like a closed room. We can't kick out all the people whose
> personalities we don't like, so let's play nice in the sand box.
>
> I hope Steve's new plug-in actually helps newbie's get the hang of
> trading, and I hope he makes some money from it.
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't seen other MS plug-ins that help newbies to
> much of an extent. As I said in my first post on plug-ins, I've
tested
> a couple that are so, so. TradeOracle is a really nice programming
> job, Bressert's is somewhat useful, ICE is interesting in the right
> circumstances, but the others I don't see much utility in. That's my
> opinion! Equis has a money back guarantee. I suggest you try the
> plug-ins and use the money back offer Equis provides if you find
that
> a plug-in isn't useful for you. It only takes a couple of days to
test
> them. No one at Equis is going to bust your chops for returning a
> plug-in or anything else they sell as long as you follow their
policies.
>
> Sorry if this post pisses some of you off. The only solution I see
is
> don't read it--starting from here.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> >
> > Steve, Seen your name and website before. . Would like to see
you
> > less bothered with Super's web postings and instead contributing
to
> > this forum. You probably don't have the time to do that or "help"
> > anyone here.. so why go after Super who does? For myself, I do
> > appreciate all the suggestions he has made and also enjoy my
> > subscription to MSTT. I have incorporated several of them, read
books
> > he has recommended. If you have the same type of background as he
> > does, why don't you seriously contribute? Have I just missed your
> > postings? Or do you just lurk in the background..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "CedarCreekTrading"
> > <kernish@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Super,
> > >
> > > Hey, no problem...you don't sound like a broken record...you
sound
> > like a shill (a huckster, a non-stop marketing, full-court
press).
> > For a forum that doesn't allow advertising and marketing, I'm
still
> > trying to figure out why pumrysh allows this day-to-day
bombardment.
> > So, Preston, does this mean that all posters that actually "help"
> > people trade are allowed to pummel the list with unsolicited
> > advertising? Or, is this forum just for "certain" people to
> > advertise what they sell, everyday?? Inquiring minds want to
know.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: superfragalist
> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:05 PM
> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Metastock Add-Ons and
Plug-Ins
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but I've used
and/or
> > > tested almost all of the plug-ins and none of them are very
good
> > in my
> > > opinion, especially for a longer term investor. I've benched
> > marked
> > > the plug-ins against all of the systems I use daily, so I
know how
> > > they perform against my standards.
> > >
> > > The only one that's worth much is Bressert's, but it's really
> > designed
> > > for day trading. It can be used EOD also.
> > >
> > > Trade Oracle is almost the same as Performance systems but it
has
> > more
> > > gloss on it. It's a lot of small formulas that catch an entry
> > here or
> > > there. Even though the formulas are simple, some of them work
> > okay. As
> > > far as exits go, there's nothing in there I would bother
with.
> > Trade
> > > Oracle has the best front end of any MS product. Some of it
is
> > better
> > > desgined and programmed than MS itself. It also costs nearly
> > twice as
> > > much.
> > >
> > > AlphOmega is Elliot wave wanta be stuff, but I think it uses
peak
> > and
> > > through functions, which create their own problems.
> > >
> > > Chart patterns is so, so. Most patterns aren't reliable for a
long
> > > term trader. Some chart patterns in general seem to work
okay, but
> > > I've found higher probability ways to trade so I don't bother
> > with too
> > > much searching for patterns.
> > >
> > > Bollinger Bands was the least effective of the ones I looked
at,
> > at
> > > least in my opinion. Candlesticks is okay, if you like candle
> > sticks.
> > > But there is no magic in there. Power Pivots is more peak and
> > trough
> > > functions.
> > >
> > > ICE is good for developing symbol specific systems. Most
people
> > who
> > > buy it don't know how to use it properly. If they did they'd
get
> > much
> > > better results. It's best for a trader who doesn't know
anything
> > about
> > > systems development but wants to only trade a small group of
> > stocks. I
> > > like ICE because it will force you to struggle through systems
> > > development exercises until you learn about systems
development--
> > well,
> > > some people will learn!
> > >
> > > Trend Medium is curve fitting but on a daily basis. ETS is
one I
> > > haven't used--and I don't think many other people have either.
> > > MetaMarket is so low on the fundamental analysis scale it
doesn't
> > > register as far as I'm concerned. SpyGlass is a mish-mash of
old
> > tools.
> > >
> > > Now for the broken record part. The absolute best add-on you
can
> > get
> > > for MS is Roy's newsletter, even if you don't want to learn
to
> > program
> > > your own functions. www.metastocktips.co.nz
> > >
> > > Roy realized from the beginning there was a limited market for
> > > programming education so he added a lot of information on the
> > systems
> > > tester, explorations and now a trading series.
> > >
> > > I've tested and traded everything that's going into the first
> > trading
> > > series from Roy. In my opinion, all of the techniques in MSTT
> > produce
> > > better results than the other MS plug-ins and add-ons. The
April
> > and
> > > May issues have some of the best information on trading using
TA
> > that
> > > you're going to run across--well, again I should say, it's the
> > > clearest, most logical trading information I've run across.
> > Someone
> > > else may have better stuff so if they do, I wish they would
share
> > it
> > > with Roy's subscribers so I can get a chance to test it.
> > >
> > > Most people who try to use TA go off on an indicator
fascination
> > trip
> > > trying to find the one or two indicators that work in every
> > market and
> > > find the best entries. That's a wild goose chase. (grail
chase)
> > >
> > > Using TA to trade stocks is not that difficult, if you
understand
> > a
> > > few fundemental things and you use the right strategy and
> > approach to
> > > markets. Most people don't. They start out thinking that TA
is
> > some
> > > magic bullet that's going to make them rich. Or that a
specific
> > > indicator is going to tell then when to buy and sell a stock.
> > >
> > > After a couple of years chasing their butts, they figure out
that
> > > they've missed the boat. Some get lucky and stumble on
something
> > that
> > > works okay for them, but most spend thousands of dollars
> > listening to
> > > guru's fill their heads full of crap, and then they still
don't
> > make
> > > any money. The statistics that say that 95% of TA users and
want-
> > ta-be
> > > traders fail is true. How can so many people be chasing the
wrong
> > stuff.
> > >
> > > Based on my experience, what's wrong is not TA itself, but the
> > > strategy and approach newbie's take trying to figure out what
to
> > do
> > > with it. Why do you think that MS DOES NOT come with a
template
> > that
> > > allows everyone to make money as soon as they install MS on
their
> > > computers? Because there is no such thing, so Equis can't
sell it
> > to you.
> > >
> > > Making money using TA is not about having the right
indicators,
> > the
> > > right plug-ins, the right guru chart setups--it's about how
you
> > see
> > > the markets and understand what works and why it works and
when
> > it works.
> > >
> > > The reason I keep recommending Roy's newsletter is because
it's
> > has
> > > information in it that will change the way people see
trading. It
> > will
> > > open their eyes to how money can be made on a consistent
basis.
> > >
> > > At this point, the skeptics are going to say, well if the
stuff
> > in it
> > > works so well, why doesn't everyone use it. The techniques in
> > Roy's
> > > newsletter are simple. Some people like simple, some people
don't.
> > > Some are happy making 80% of the maximum amount they could
make
> > > without having to become a full time student of TA and get a
Ph.D
> > in
> > > trading. Others want to move beyond the 80%, and they feel
they're
> > > willing to pay the price to get there, or at least lose
everything
> > > trying.
> > >
> > > That's fine. You only have to ask yourself a simple question--
is
> > what
> > > I'm doing working or not!
> > >
> > > If it is: keep doing it. If it isn't, the cost of Roy's
> > newsletter is
> > > an inexpensive way to learn a lot of new stuff you didn't
know
> > and get
> > > a chance to experiment with simple instead of complex. If it
> > works for
> > > you then it was worth many, many times it's price, and if it
> > doesn't,
> > > it was cheaper than a bunch of plug-ins that you have to sell
on
> > ebay.
> > >
> > > Yes, it has coding instruction, indicators, system tester
> > information
> > > and explorer information in it, so everyone can get something
> > useful
> > > out of it to apply to their trading. However, what I think is
the
> > most
> > > useful part of the newsletter is the way it will change
people's
> > view
> > > of trading and could help them find a strategy that's
comfortable,
> > > consistent and easy to execute.
> > >
> > > The April and May issues are going to consolidate many of the
> > things
> > > that have been said in back issues to this point. Then from
June
> > > through the next few months Roy is going to have articles
telling
> > you
> > > how other traders do things so readers can contrast other's
> > trading
> > > methods and find what works best for them.
> > >
> > > Rather than give Equis $250 or more for plug-ins you're not
going
> > to
> > > get anything out of, you be far better off giving Roy $180
for 18
> > > months worth of learning about how use MS to make money.
> > >
> > > For those of you who are tired of hearing me say Roy's
newsletter
> > is
> > > an important tool for learning to trade, sorry I bore you. I
> > guess you
> > > should stop reading my posts.
> > >
> > > If you're a subsriber, you know why I keep posting these
> > messages, and
> > > after May you'll feel even better about where you are and
what
> > you've
> > > gotten.
> > >
> > > Maybe someone else will give you some feedback that one of the
> > > plug-ins is the cat's meow when it comes to trading. I don't
> > know.
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "calc103"
<calc103@xxxx>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have Metastock 8.0. I have been learning the system
through
> > > > Metastock Programming Study Guide. I am a buy-and-hold
trader.
> > > >
> > > > I am prepared to purchase three Metastock Add-On or Plug-
Ins.
> > > >
> > > > Which three would best suit my purpose?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any advice.
> > > >
> > > > calc103
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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