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Michael Robb:
Your posting is a little unrealistic. Good
programmers BC, before the recent crash, were getting around $50 to $80 per
hour. I am not talking about what a payroll company might charge. With the
massive layoffs that have occurred, good programmers will accept lower hourly
rates.
A wise manager will pay for any service what it is
worth to him. It may be minimum wage or lawyers rates. In your discussion, the
manager should delegate operating the software to a competent assistant.
The manager's job is to manage, not running time consuming computer programs. If
the manager is frittering his money away, his bills will catch up with him
sooner or later.
Lionel Issen<A
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Michael Robb
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:51
PM
Subject: Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A JOKE
People need programming. Programmers, expert in TA,
cost $250/hr. Business men, nowdays, don't want to pay that much to an
employee. They might pay that much for lunch, but not for someone who knows
more than they do about the nifty little charting co. they just bought.
Add it up: $250/hr. x 2000 hrs/yr. is $500,000.
Now you are talking about what he has to pay to get into that important
country club his wife has selected for him.
What we think they need is a VP & general manager
for Equis who understands how to listen to important users give expert
consultaion advise, completely free of charge, on net boards, and e lists.
But, life, evidently, isn't like this in
business, today; because to do this the VP - Gen Mgr. will have to hire two
new people: One, the programmer at $259/hr., and then another expert to
explain to him what it all means.
The boss adds all this up in his head before
cocktails and sees an extra expense of over $1,000,000 million a year, which
is what his new boat was going to cost - and frankly, just says no. No one,
certainly, as low on the totem pole as anyone at equis, who reads this, will
successfully challange him on this matter.
Remains,
MR
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Ron Scott
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:13
PM
Subject: RE: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
<SPAN
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>All I can say is I agree with you completely, and I
hope that Equis replies in detail to your questions and that you will post
it here. You have done a great job of expressing in a more detailed way the
thoughts I had in my earlier post.
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>I'm not sure AIQ is that much better in terms of
listening to it's customers, at least since their aquisition by Track Data
(it seems all the big data companies want to buy a software company, but
don't know how to manage it--just like Reuters). However, the price/value
with AIQ is much better; $79.95 per month for real time data and that
includes the price of their software. Reuters wants $64.95/month for data,
and $200/month plus for E-Signal and $1700 up front for the
software! Metastock needs to get to work and improve their product so it
will benefit serious traders. We don't need the marketing hype, and we don't
need to be "milked" as you put it.
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>Sincerely-
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>Ron Scott
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owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of John RSent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:29
PMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: MS 7.2
upgrade A JOKE
Mickey,
I have to agree with you that on the
information I have seen to date V7.2 release looks poor value. After
reading the Equis PR release it was not clear to me what exactly was new
or improved from V7.03. I therefore emailed Equis support yesterday
and asked specifically:-
1. If System Tester now works across multiple
selected securities simultaneously.
2. If Internet integration feature is now fully
customisable by users (I am in UK so hard coded US site links are useless
to me).
3. Are the new 26 "Trading Systems" which are
included customisable by users or are they just closed black boxes like
many of the Experts shipped with Metastock.
4. Have any improvements been made to formula
language.
5. Is there a comprehesive list of all the new
features and improvements in V7.2 from V7.03 (not just a Press
Release).
When I get a reply will post info
here.
IMO Equis seem to have lost their
direction since the takeover by Reuters. They certainly don't
appear to be listening to what existing Metastock users want (although
they must be aware becuase they monitor this board and the Yahoo Equis
board). I suspect Equis are under increasing commercial pressure from
competitors like AIQ who have made big inroads into the TA market. It now
seems Equis are attempting to milk their user base for easy
revenue with successive minor upgrade charges plus charging for various
black box plug-ins/add-ons. Personally I think the approach of closed
black boxes and protected Experts etc. is completelly at odds
with the reason most users buy Metastock i.e. to design, experiment
and test their own trading ideas. It also worries me that Equis has
found it necessary to go out to a 3rd party for these plug-ins etc. - why
didn't they do the development themselves?, what about the support
issues? Commercially Equis may be trying to make Metastock more
attractive to new users of TA software but this market is well saturated
already. I don't know why Equis don't just stick to the traditional
strengths of the MS product and concentrate on enhancing it by LISTENING
TO EXISTING USERS - then the product really would be great. I also happen
to use AIQ (no other connection other than user) and they operate in
almost complete contrast to Equis. They have an excellent user group and
beta test group plus the developers are pro-active in
encouraging input on new features required. The AIQ product is not perfect
(are they ever?) but they have made enormous progress in the past 2 years
by being open and really listening to what user want and then making sure
they have delivered it. Apologies if this sounds like a plug for the AIQ
product - it's not meant to be (MS charting is better) - it's a plug
for the way the AIQ company does things.
IMHO one thing is for sure - if Equis do not wake
up soon there is only one direction they will be going (it aint
up) and that would be very sad for all us MS users.
John
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<A title=Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx";>Michel Amelinckx
To: <A
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Metastock User List (E-mail)
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:04
PM
Subject: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
I believe if you have your own
systems the new MS upgrade is just an other joke. One thing WOULD
BE GREAT is the testing on multiple securities but wait before you get
too exited because I have the feeling this is only for those new systems
which they added. So I believe it's better to by the add-on of Mr.
DeBRY <A
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And most probably those new systems will be password protected so
experienced traders who would like to implement some things are left in
the cold. So I strongly belief apart those new systems nothing is
valuable. So people who don't have a GOOD system jet to trade may
have something with this. But I believe most experienced traders
have already their system and style. So would this suggests that MS is
pointing too the NEW inexperienced traders and letting the old
experienced traders out to dry. If this is the case they should
strongly change their adds in TASC and other magazines.
Access the internet within
MetaStock, so you can view internet content side-by-side with your
MetaStock charts. Now you can access the internet
instantly from your chart’s shortcut menu and bring it right up on your
screen. Plus, MetaStock 7.2’s new Web Resources feature
lets you set up links to your favorites web sites. Then, with the
click of a mouse, MetaStock will access up-to-the-minute information
relating to your security, and display it next to your
chart.
This is already possible to add
icons with WWW links in MS
Make your trades
online within MetaStock, anytime, anywhere. It’s never be
easier to trade online. Because now you can choose the location
within MetaStock 7.2 that’s most convenient for you, with the Online
Trading toolbar. MetaStock 7.2 works with Preferred Trade and
other web based trading sites.
Same thing I have already an icons
in MS so when I click on it I get to my order entry screen of my
broker
Refresh button is already
there
Maybe for users who use Data on
demand there are some new features, but anyone knows the best
value/money services are QuotesPlus and TC2000 so I don't care about
this thing what they are trying to push us in using.
If I see all this I believe this is
not AT ALL made BY LISTENING TO THE REAL USERS, the traders. And
for this I like to ask the MS EOD USERS (not sales or tech people
of MS) on this list what you thing about all
this.
Greetings
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