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Walter,
Honestly, this "thinking thing" is overrated. The dark ages of technical
analysis were bright beacons when compared to any age of "fundamental
enlightenment" (as in "non sequitor"). You might be right about the water.
Mine flows from 280 feet deep and is filtered through a 14 million year old
layer of basalt. It sure is sweet...but, it triggers little voices in my
head (why else would I be long juice and hogs?).
Steve Karnish
Cedar Creek Trading
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
>
> Hi Steve
>
> "... Opinions are dangerous things in the markets. ..." Gee Steve ...
I've
> seen/hear some pretty strong opinions about indicators. Even a lot of
> analysis and "thinking" about indicators over the years <G>
>
> I know that there might be some "complexity" in the data here ... but
> there's no need to reach so soon for the Thorazine. Weren't you one of the
> originals that helped move TA out of the dark ages and into the modern
era?
>
> "Egoectomy"? ... oh yes ... that and plenty of specifically targeted drugs
> ... but usually a good "slap-side-the-head" with a nice thick book does
the
> trick <G> .... then again ... maybe it's something in the drinking water
> that causes this selective thinking and analysis.
>
> Best regards
>
> Walter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Karnish" <kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
>
>
> | Walter,
> |
> | Now all you have to do is assign a really objective numeric weight for
> items
> | 1-14, add them up, develop "trigger" levels for the new "power number",
> and
> | backtest it for a few decades. First, let's decide, on a scale of one
to
> | ten, how to rate the following:
> |
> | "1. Weather was a slightly negative market input early today."
> |
> | Whaddya think? 3.5 or 4.12389?? Better yet, can we get a little more
> | objective with that 6-10 day forecast? First, it's predicted to be
drier
> | than a "popcorn fart"; then it rains "cats and dogs", then they say:
"But
> | the extreme northwestern corner of one county in Nebraska only got a 1/4
> of
> | an inch"; then the funds pay off the guy who wrote the "14" points below
> and
> | he slips in a few extra bullish comments and then ... the beat goes on.
> |
> | Opinions are dangerous things in the markets. It's pretty easy to go
out
> | into the world and find information that supports your current
positions.
> | When I tell the list that I'm entering a position, it's just another
> | mechanical trade. My opinion about that trade or the overall direction
of
> | the market is some really heavy extra baggage. In fact, do you know any
> | doctors that can perform an "Egoectomy"?
> |
> | Steve Karnish
> | Cedar Creek Trading
> | http://www.cedarcreektrading.com
> |
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:45 AM
> | Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
> |
> |
> | > Hi Steve
> | >
> | > You don't read? ... I'm sure that you are referring to the difference
> | > between reading opinion Vs reading fundamental and market data in text
> | > format. Here's an example between the usual "snappy little paragraph"
> and
> | > something more ... comprehensive.
> | >
> | > Then again ... lots of us older guys have to move our lips while
> reading.
> | > <G>
> | >
> | > Best regards
> | >
> | > Walter
> | >
> | > ======================
> | >
> | > The soybean market closed lower today pressured by choppy two-sided
> | trading
> | > and large variability
> | > among forecaster that left traders apprehensive on taking new
positions.
> | SN
> | > closed down 1c at $5.53 1/2
> | > per bushel. Funds bought 1,500 contracts putting their net estimated
> | > position at 46,383 contracts and
> | > commercials sold 200 contracts. Today's Bi-weekly COT report was
release
> | for
> | > futures and options
> | > combine as of May 9 th put funds net long position at 28,525
contracts,
> | > commercials net short position at
> | > 63,842 contracts, and small specs 35,316 contracts.
> | >
> | > Other elements that effected today's market were:
> | > 1. Weather was a slightly negative market input early today.
> | > A. Argentina corn and soybean areas were mostly dry again over the
> | weekend.
> | > B. US Midwest Corn/Wheat Belts saw widely scattered, light showers
over
> | the
> | > weekend, which
> | > produced rain amounts of .10 to .50" with 25% coverage of the belt,
> | favoring
> | > the western half of
> | > the belt.
> | > C. US Plains Winter Wheat areas saw light showers over the weekend,
> which
> | > produced rain
> | > amounts of .10 to .50" with 35% coverage of the belt.
> | > 2. Funds and Commercials bought
> | > 3. Farmer selling of cash soybeans was slow, and basis levels were
> steady
> | to
> | > firm in most areas.
> | > 4. Mid-session strength was a result of spillover support from meal,
> corn,
> | > and wheat.
> | > 5. Weekly Export Shipments of 7.8 mil Bu. were on the lower end of
> | estimates
> | > of 7.0-12.0 mil Bu.
> | > 6. Traders noted a lack of selling at higher levels, which allowed
> prices
> | to
> | > rally with a minimum of
> | > buying.
> | > 7. The market is finding support from ideas that the US Government
will
> | > approve PNTR for China this
> | > week.
> | > 8. Today's upside was limited by ideas that tonight's Planting
Progress
> | > Report will indicate that
> | > progress continued to run at record levels!
> | > 9. Weakness in the US dollar was a supportive input.
> | > 10. Continued strength in the CRB Index supported today's market, as
the
> | CRB
> | > Index continues to make
> | > new two-year highs.
> | > 11. Traders remain concerned as there was talk regarding a
> | > "high-pressure-ridge" developing in the
> | > extended forecast.
> | > 12. Friday's Commitment of Traders report was neutral, as figures were
> in
> | > line with estimates.
> | > 13. There were no indications of any Chinese interest in either the
> | soybean
> | > or meal markets today.
> | > 14. Options trade was mixed too slightly negative as LDC bought 400 SN
> | $5.75
> | > calls, but also bought
> | > 1,200 SN $5.25 puts.
> | > Overall, trade volume was very slow.
> | >
> | > ===============================
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Steve Karnish" <kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 11:56 PM
> | > Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
> | >
> | >
> | > | Bob,
> | > |
> | > | I try not to read (really). As you read, we took off our spreads at
> 46
> | > | (July), one step ahead of that nasty big crowd (mentioned below). I
> | like
> | > | wheat, but I'm currently short. I'm long oats and last week I
stopped
> | > | trading corn. If the wheat/corn spread narrows again, I'll be back.
> I
> | > | wasn't in love with Friday's action, but I think we can work the
wheat
> | > | market lower early this week.
> | > |
> | > | Steve Karnish
> | > | Cedar Creek Trading
> | > | http://www.cedarcreektrading.com
> | > | ----- Original Message -----
> | > | From: Bob Jagow <bjagow@xxxxxxx>
> | > | To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > | Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 4:27 PM
> | > | Subject: RE: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | > Steve,
> | > | > I haven't followed the TradingMarkets futures commentary to this
> | > point,
> | > | > but was wondering whether it is considered accurate.
> | > | > Any opinion on the appended?
> | > | >
> | > | > Bob
> | > | >
> | > | > ----
> | > | > CORN
> | > | > OVERNIGHT CHANGE to 4:21 AM: CORN +0. Key technical support held
> this
> | > week
> | > | > and the if dry trend in southeast is confirmed on Monday morning
> | weather
> | > | > forecast, another round of buying looks likely. PRICE OUTLOOK:
> | December
> | > | > corn closed higher on the day and above the opening yesterday but
> the
> | > | close
> | > | > was 4 cents off the highs which is seen as disappointing to many
> | bulls.
> | > | > After short consolidation, look for more up next week.
> | > | >
> | > | > WHEAT
> | > | > OVERNIGHT CHANGE to 4:21 AM: WHEAT +1. The wheat market collapsed
> | > | yesterday
> | > | > under the weight of wheat/corn spread liquidation. As wheat is
> | > approaching
> | > | > harvest and corn is approaching the most uncertain period of the
> year
> | in
> | > | > June, seasonal spreaders are taking profits on these spreads and
the
> | > rally
> | > | > in corn yesterday prompted some panic liquidation of these
> positions.
> | > | While
> | > | > the longer-term fundamentals look positive, traders are concerned
> that
> | > | > harvest pressure are just around the corn and long liquidation is
> | > | > intensifying this week. PRICE OUTLOOK: September wheat needs a
close
> | > back
> | > | > over 284 1/2 or risk additional liquidation to next support at
277.
> | > | > ---
> | > | >
> | > | > -----Original Message-----
> | > | > From: owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steve Karnish
> | > | > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 7:25 PM
> | > | > To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > | > Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > Walter,
> | > | >
> | > | > It's always fun to catch a top. Momentum oscillators can be
> | stunningly
> | > | > accurate or incredibly early and therefore, very frustrating.
There
> | was
> | > a
> | > | > time, early in this trade, that the funds were long 80,000 corn
and
> | > still
> | > | > short 10,000 wheat. At the time, I thought that maybe the funds
were
> | > about
> | > | > at their risk capacity (for exposure to one single commodity).
> | > Sometimes
> | > | > the fund movement reminds me of "bullish consensus": If 90% of
the
> | > people
> | > | > surveyed say that corn is going up, no one is left to buy. If the
> | funds
> | > | > already own 80,000 - 90,000 contracts (I think a record for corn),
> | > chances
> | > | > are (and here is where this "thinking part" gets dangerous) that
> they
> | > will
> | > | > liquidate, instead of build a larger position. Whatever is going
> on,
> | > the
> | > | > momentum oscillator is diving south again. The Bollinger Momentum
> | > | > Oscillator ("BB Thingy") provided two days to sell into it's
> | overbought
> | > | > condition. The funds are clumsy pests that cough up "chucks" of
> | supply
> | > | and
> | > | > demand. Sometimes, you can get "slobbered" on even standing on
the
> | edge
> | > | of
> | > | > the action. It's always a thrill to witness the "group power"
when
> | they
> | > | > unwind a position. How about this one: we're spread: short
> | wheat/long
> | > | > oats. This not a spread position ... but, the outright mechanical
> | > | approach
> | > | > has created the artificial spread. At least it's working.
> | > | >
> | > | > Take care...always fun(z),
> | > | >
> | > | > Steve Karnish
> | > | > Cedar Creek Trading
> | > | > http://www.cedarcreektrading.com
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > | > From: Walter Lake <wlake@xxxxxxxxx>
> | > | > To: <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > | > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:50 PM
> | > | > Subject: Re: long wheat, short corn (no mo)
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
>
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