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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Nobody is perfect, even data providers and
software vendors. My gripe is that neither one really cared about fixing
the problem. Even after I offered to provide a fix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I use both Signal as text files and Downloader. I use
Downloader when I have to travel because it will gather data across several days
unattended. Signal when I'm home. I have different software which
use the data.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Guy Tann <<A
href="mailto:grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx";>grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To: </B><A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:56 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE:
Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Hi
Animal</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>I'm not the one to defend MetaStock, as I have complaints
myself. In this case I would have to suspect Signal insofar as I've
used the Downloader for years with CompuServe as my futures data provider
without a problem. Every time I've tried other futures data providers,
the quality and reliability leave a lot to be desired. I'm still
playing with evaluating other services hoping to reduce my monthly
costs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>The last one I reviewed kept sending erroneous data to me.
Sometimes it would take 4 or 5 tries to get 'most' of my data. DL used
to give me error messages about bad transmissions, missing checksums,
etc. The same night, I would get my CompuServe data without a
problem. Something unusual happened a few weeks ago. Had a
problem getting my data from CS one day. First time that's happened in
years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B>
animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Linda Swope<BR><B>Cc:</B> MetaStock User Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not day trading right now. When I do I use
Signal and don't have any problems. I also live in their
backyard. I mainly day trade the futures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>As to Signal/MS, my gripe was that
Signal (EOD) did not alway list the correct opening price on a
security. This meant there could be a 0 or an opening price from
n-days ago. This meant you could get an opening price well out of
the daily range until you got a valid opening price. This was
causing the system tester to barf.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Signal said what you see is what you
get. It is up to MS to handle the data presented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis said it was a problem with the data being
presented, they were just reading what was there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Signals solution was to clear the Signal db each night
and unplug the unit so it would start fresh each day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis solution was to not use opening prices in the
security prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I offered to write an enhancement for MS to fix the
opening prices but got no response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Writing the program for myself but it involves
exporting the data to test files. I refuse to pay for MS interface
hooks to fix a problem with their program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe a copy will show up
someday...........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>P.S. Nice web site - made me want to grab my skis and
the dog and hit the hill. Always have a great time in
Jackson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Linda Swope <<A
href="mailto:lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx";>lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>animal@xxxxxxxxx <<A
href="mailto:animal@xxxxxxxxx";>animal@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:29 AM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Hi Animal,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT><FONT size=4>I lurk the
Metastock list. I've been considering upgrading to MS Pro, but
then I'm stuck with Signal. I get conflicting reports as to
their reliability. I use Level II a lot and am concerned about
possible lag time in the quotes. I'd appreciate any comments
on their service!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thanks for your help and time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Linda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Swope's Mountain Photography<BR><A
href="http://www.swopephoto.com";>http://www.swopephoto.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Nobody is perfect, even data providers and
software vendors. My gripe is that neither one really cared about fixing
the problem. Even after I offered to provide a fix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I use both Signal as text files and Downloader. I use
Downloader when I have to travel because it will gather data across several days
unattended. Signal when I'm home. I have different software which
use the data.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Guy Tann <<A
href="mailto:grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx";>grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To: </B><A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:56 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE:
Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Hi
Animal</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>I'm not the one to defend MetaStock, as I have complaints
myself. In this case I would have to suspect Signal insofar as I've
used the Downloader for years with CompuServe as my futures data provider
without a problem. Every time I've tried other futures data providers,
the quality and reliability leave a lot to be desired. I'm still
playing with evaluating other services hoping to reduce my monthly
costs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>The last one I reviewed kept sending erroneous data to me.
Sometimes it would take 4 or 5 tries to get 'most' of my data. DL used
to give me error messages about bad transmissions, missing checksums,
etc. The same night, I would get my CompuServe data without a
problem. Something unusual happened a few weeks ago. Had a
problem getting my data from CS one day. First time that's happened in
years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B>
animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Linda Swope<BR><B>Cc:</B> MetaStock User Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not day trading right now. When I do I use
Signal and don't have any problems. I also live in their
backyard. I mainly day trade the futures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>As to Signal/MS, my gripe was that
Signal (EOD) did not alway list the correct opening price on a
security. This meant there could be a 0 or an opening price from
n-days ago. This meant you could get an opening price well out of
the daily range until you got a valid opening price. This was
causing the system tester to barf.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Signal said what you see is what you
get. It is up to MS to handle the data presented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis said it was a problem with the data being
presented, they were just reading what was there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Signals solution was to clear the Signal db each night
and unplug the unit so it would start fresh each day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis solution was to not use opening prices in the
security prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I offered to write an enhancement for MS to fix the
opening prices but got no response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Writing the program for myself but it involves
exporting the data to test files. I refuse to pay for MS interface
hooks to fix a problem with their program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe a copy will show up
someday...........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>P.S. Nice web site - made me want to grab my skis and
the dog and hit the hill. Always have a great time in
Jackson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Linda Swope <<A
href="mailto:lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx";>lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>animal@xxxxxxxxx <<A
href="mailto:animal@xxxxxxxxx";>animal@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:29 AM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Hi Animal,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT><FONT size=4>I lurk the
Metastock list. I've been considering upgrading to MS Pro, but
then I'm stuck with Signal. I get conflicting reports as to
their reliability. I use Level II a lot and am concerned about
possible lag time in the quotes. I'd appreciate any comments
on their service!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thanks for your help and time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Linda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Swope's Mountain Photography<BR><A
href="http://www.swopephoto.com";>http://www.swopephoto.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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On Thursday, January 28, 1999 1:50 PM, Jim Osborn wrote:
>The "reference price" is the first tick of the day, stored as a
>thirty-two-bit unsigned number - LOTS of range there. All subsequent
>ticks are stored as signed sixteen-bit offsets from that reference.
>So, the most serious problem is an error in that reference price,
>because it affects every tick of the day. For word-length
>limitations to affect things, the difference from that initial tick
>would have to be plus or minus 32768 or greater.
I agree completely with what you indicate but I would like to clarify that
the 'plus or minus 32768 or greater' must take into account the price scale
used in the Symbol Universe. For instance, I had to change the scaling on
the INDU from 1/100 (plus or minus 327.68) to 1/10 (plus or minus 3276.8)
after the first 400 point daily Dow change dashed past the allowed limit and
blew the day of tick data. Likewise, most stocks are scaled to 1/1000 (plus
or minus 32.768) and I have been bitten a few times in the past by losing a
whole day of tick data due to the opening price being incorrect by more than
the scaling limit. I have never tried it but I suppose you could regain
historical tick data by rescaling the symbol in the Symbol Universe and then
pasting in tick data downloaded from the Omega Research ftp site.
Bob Scott
rlscott@xxxxxxxx
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