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<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>When I
first started using CompuServe years ago, they had similar problems. I
spent tons of time on the phone with CS and their interface with the vendor that
was providing the data and then they finally got me in touch with the
vendor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I was
able to work with both of them to put in the missing controls to insure that
they stopped missing their second update nightly. They used to run the
first update twice and miss the second. So things that I needed, like
Bonds, S&P, etc. were always missing. Being an old programmer as
well as the CIO of a major company, I was able to walk them through the controls
necessary to insure that we were able to minimize this problem. I found them to
be very cooperative in making the fixes. Since then, the problems have
been negligible.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On
Behalf Of</B> Animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 4:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Nobody is perfect, even data providers and
software vendors. My gripe is that neither one really cared about
fixing the problem. Even after I offered to provide a
fix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I use both Signal as text files and Downloader. I
use Downloader when I have to travel because it will gather data across
several days unattended. Signal when I'm home. I have different
software which use the data.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Guy Tann <<A
href="mailto:grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx";>grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:56 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE:
Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Hi Animal</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>I'm not the one to defend MetaStock, as I have complaints
myself. In this case I would have to suspect Signal insofar as
I've used the Downloader for years with CompuServe as my futures data
provider without a problem. Every time I've tried other futures
data providers, the quality and reliability leave a lot to be
desired. I'm still playing with evaluating other services hoping
to reduce my monthly costs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>The last one I reviewed kept sending erroneous data to me.
Sometimes it would take 4 or 5 tries to get 'most' of my data. DL
used to give me error messages about bad transmissions, missing
checksums, etc. The same night, I would get my CompuServe data
without a problem. Something unusual happened a few weeks
ago. Had a problem getting my data from CS one day. First
time that's happened in years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B>
animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:54
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Linda Swope<BR><B>Cc:</B> MetaStock User
Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not day trading right now. When I do I
use Signal and don't have any problems. I also live in their
backyard. I mainly day trade the futures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>As to Signal/MS, my gripe was
that Signal (EOD) did not alway list the correct opening price on a
security. This meant there could be a 0 or an opening price
from n-days ago. This meant you could get an opening price
well out of the daily range until you got a valid opening
price. This was causing the system tester to
barf.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Signal said what you see is what you
get. It is up to MS to handle the data presented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis said it was a problem with the data being
presented, they were just reading what was there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Signals solution was to clear the Signal db each
night and unplug the unit so it would start fresh each
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis solution was to not use opening prices in
the security prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I offered to write an enhancement for MS to fix
the opening prices but got no response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Writing the program for myself but it involves
exporting the data to test files. I refuse to pay for MS
interface hooks to fix a problem with their program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe a copy will show up
someday...........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>P.S. Nice web site - made me want to grab my skis
and the dog and hit the hill. Always have a great time in
Jackson.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Linda Swope <<A
href="mailto:lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx";>lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>animal@xxxxxxxxx
<<A
href="mailto:animal@xxxxxxxxx";>animal@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:29 AM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Hi Animal,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT><FONT size=4>I lurk the
Metastock list. I've been considering upgrading to MS Pro,
but then I'm stuck with Signal. I get conflicting reports
as to their reliability. I use Level II a lot and am
concerned about possible lag time in the quotes. I'd
appreciate any comments on their service!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thanks for your help and time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Linda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Swope's Mountain
Photography<BR><A
href="http://www.swopephoto.com";>http://www.swopephoto.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>When I
first started using CompuServe years ago, they had similar problems. I
spent tons of time on the phone with CS and their interface with the vendor that
was providing the data and then they finally got me in touch with the
vendor.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I was
able to work with both of them to put in the missing controls to insure that
they stopped missing their second update nightly. They used to run the
first update twice and miss the second. So things that I needed, like
Bonds, S&P, etc. were always missing. Being an old programmer as
well as the CIO of a major company, I was able to walk them through the controls
necessary to insure that we were able to minimize this problem. I found them to
be very cooperative in making the fixes. Since then, the problems have
been negligible.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=890081401-29011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On
Behalf Of</B> Animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 4:49
PM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Nobody is perfect, even data providers and
software vendors. My gripe is that neither one really cared about
fixing the problem. Even after I offered to provide a
fix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I use both Signal as text files and Downloader. I
use Downloader when I have to travel because it will gather data across
several days unattended. Signal when I'm home. I have different
software which use the data.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Guy Tann <<A
href="mailto:grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx";>grtann@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:56 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE:
Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Hi Animal</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>I'm not the one to defend MetaStock, as I have complaints
myself. In this case I would have to suspect Signal insofar as
I've used the Downloader for years with CompuServe as my futures data
provider without a problem. Every time I've tried other futures
data providers, the quality and reliability leave a lot to be
desired. I'm still playing with evaluating other services hoping
to reduce my monthly costs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>The last one I reviewed kept sending erroneous data to me.
Sometimes it would take 4 or 5 tries to get 'most' of my data. DL
used to give me error messages about bad transmissions, missing
checksums, etc. The same night, I would get my CompuServe data
without a problem. Something unusual happened a few weeks
ago. Had a problem getting my data from CS one day. First
time that's happened in years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Guy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=700441422-28011999><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On Behalf Of</B>
animal<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:54
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Linda Swope<BR><B>Cc:</B> MetaStock User
Group<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Signal<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not day trading right now. When I do I
use Signal and don't have any problems. I also live in their
backyard. I mainly day trade the futures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>As to Signal/MS, my gripe was
that Signal (EOD) did not alway list the correct opening price on a
security. This meant there could be a 0 or an opening price
from n-days ago. This meant you could get an opening price
well out of the daily range until you got a valid opening
price. This was causing the system tester to
barf.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Signal said what you see is what you
get. It is up to MS to handle the data presented.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis said it was a problem with the data being
presented, they were just reading what was there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Signals solution was to clear the Signal db each
night and unplug the unit so it would start fresh each
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Equis solution was to not use opening prices in
the security prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I offered to write an enhancement for MS to fix
the opening prices but got no response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Writing the program for myself but it involves
exporting the data to test files. I refuse to pay for MS
interface hooks to fix a problem with their program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe a copy will show up
someday...........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>P.S. Nice web site - made me want to grab my skis
and the dog and hit the hill. Always have a great time in
Jackson.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Linda Swope <<A
href="mailto:lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx";>lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>animal@xxxxxxxxx
<<A
href="mailto:animal@xxxxxxxxx";>animal@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:29 AM<BR><B>Subject:
</B>Signal<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Hi Animal,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4></FONT><FONT size=4>I lurk the
Metastock list. I've been considering upgrading to MS Pro,
but then I'm stuck with Signal. I get conflicting reports
as to their reliability. I use Level II a lot and am
concerned about possible lag time in the quotes. I'd
appreciate any comments on their service!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thanks for your help and time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Linda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=4>Swope's Mountain
Photography<BR><A
href="http://www.swopephoto.com";>http://www.swopephoto.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Hi Mike
Welcome to the Cyber Dojo
I look forward to some more of your posts
As for changing kata, in order to preserve a classical system, and by that I
mean 'traditionally accepted, long or well established' system, it will
always be important for teachers of that system to diseminate the root kata,
those handed down from teacher to student, intact and without change. That
is the teacher's role. Each individual will, as time passes evolve according
the the so called shuhari principle and will begin to work their kata for
themselves. For the most part any change will be of emphasis. However, even
if change for the individual means to change a move beyond all recognition,
no matter, because whenever the form is passed on to another, it should be
taught in the way it came to the teacher. It will always be the
responsibility of the teacher to retain all the kata of the system in the
original form while at the same time working one's own personal forms.
Take care
Rog.
-----Original Message-----
From: KMcgr29215@xxxxxxx <KMcgr29215@xxxxxxx>
To: karate@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <karate@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 28 January 1999 17:29
Subject: introduction
> I'd like to introduce myself and jump right in on the topic of changing
kata.
>My name is Mike Pepe and for the past 22 years I've been studing shorin-ryu
>karate (matsubayashi). My grandfathers split with Nagimine sensei in the
60's
>and I have a goju influence. I'm 42 and work as a firefighter in
>Massachusetts. Married with one baby girl!
> On the topic of changing kata, there seems to always be two ways to do
it.
>One is "standard" that is to say, performed to preserve the form, no
changes
>from 100 years ago and everybody looks like a robot. That's good to
maintain
>consistency in the system but there is also another way.
> Some people say practicing kata is a way for people to "express"
themselves.
>And you can't do that to well if you are doing a kata by rote. As a
beginner
>it is important to "do it exactly" but how can a student bloom if they
can't
>color outside the lines? At some point in time you have to throw away the
>directions. The kata is always "the same."...but different.
> By saying "this must be a chest block" you close the mind to think of
>anything else it might be. Sure beginners need to follow but at some point
>they need to be given a chance to explore other options.
> As far as changing a high kick for a low one...As long as you teach it as
>high even if you can't do it that way is fine but you can't just go
changing
>moves "just cuz you like this one better. Not all moves in kata are
"reality"
>so why say go changing random moves because you really wouldn't use them?
>you'd be changing too many moves.
>..uummm, well maybe I'm not to clear but.... That's my story and I'm
sticking
>to it! :-)
> Mike
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