Hi Fred,
No hard feelings mate.
Overall I think you mean well... you certainly have shared a lot and
have a good community spirit.
Pity about your inexplicable tendency to get cranky but I overlooked
that many times because of your outstanding community effort.
Yoy don't really know me and vice versa.
If I wanted to, I could make a far more incisive critique of you,
than what can make of me, but I don't do things like that because I
am not an ultra-rationalist.... I have a bit more depth to me... I
take into account the touchy feely things I know about you and the
long term damage it would do to you if I hauled off and smashed you
one back.
Also... the only times we did go 'tete a tete' for a few seconds I
actually out thought you but you didn't even notice.
You can see now, that I was ahead of Phsst - the only one who was
keeping up with me was Tomasz (or others in the background who
remained silent).
Definitely you and Phsst weren't even in the play - you were both
just jumping up and down on the sideline like dancing girls -
entertaining to some but not what we were there for.
But of course... you are probably in denial about that.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com,
Fred Tonetti <ftonetti@xx.>
wrote:
>
> Understand that the comments below are from someone who has done
programming
> since long before there were personal computers and been an trader /
> investor for almost as long .
>
>
>
> IMHO there is from many peoples perspective a deeper issue here .
>
>
>
> That issue is that by definition there are more people who are
traders /
> investors looking for a platform to use then there are programmers
who are
> looking for a platform.
>
>
>
> Therefore the more user friendly the documentation AND the platform
are to
> use the wider the appeal is .
>
>
>
> As an example the typical trader will have many ideas about things
that
> he/she wants to do. If doing what seems simple to them from a
conceptual
> perspective is difficult to do from a practical perspective i.e.
requires
> something more than simple straight forward AFL and some fill in
the blanks
> parameters they only have a couple of choices . struggle with it
for ever,
> hire someone or find another platform . For example while of course
very
> powerful, implementations like that of scaling in / out and the
custom
> backtester will give most people without previous programming
experience the
> willies.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com
[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com]
On Behalf
> Of sidhartha70
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:55 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Well, Howard is apprently writing another book. A beginners book.
> Which is great. He could (should to save the planet) sell it in the
> form of an e-Book.
>
> Bottom line is, learning AFL and what it can do, is exactly the same
> as learning any other language (e.g. C#). I don't think its too much
> to ask to have the same level & quality of available documentation
in
> order to complete the task.
>
> If you expect people to learn a proprietary language, therefore
tying
> them to your product, you've got to supply the correct information,
in
> the correct format, to help people get where they're going. Surely?
>
> Or am I off the reservation here...? ;-)
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com,
> <professor@> wrote:
> >
> > To have a manual that is complete and current would take a lot of
> time and effort not only to write the manual, but to also keep it
> current. I would suggest that if someone wants to take the trouble
to
> write and update the manual, they could have a pay site with the
> manual on it. They could charge a nominal annual membership fee.
Then
> the members could have access to the manual all year and the writer
or
> writers would have a least received some compensation for their
effort.
> >
> > I realize that this would not be a big money making effort, but it
> would be helpful to the members and provide some compensation to the
> writer. It could even be presentated as an ebook which could be
> downloaded. The members would be able to get an up dated ebook as
> changes, corrections, and additions are added.
> >
> > I think that if the annual membership was reasonable, enough
people
> would subsribe to make it feasilbe. I would be glad to provide help
> with a web site and producing the ebook.
> >
> > Just my humble suggestion,
> > Tom
> >
> > I
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: brian_z111
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:13 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> >
> >
> > Howard hasn't posted for a while.
> >
> > We can't presume... he is a volunteer also and doesn't make much
> > money out of his books... unless AB is paying?
> >
> > It comes down to Tomasz.
> > Hopefully Herman is talking to Tomasz.
> > Herman is very good in that role.
> >
> > Remember that Herman, Tomasz and I have worked together before.
> >
> > We know each other quite well, in that regard e.g they know I am
a
> > bit grumpy to work with and Herman knows the way I like to
work...I
> > always wanted to have an open format.... there was support for a
Wiki
> > Help Manual at the ATP.... in the workforce I found out that
people
> > can be trusted... if you trust them they won't let you down.
> >
> > I used to post my files on the company intranet, without any
> > protection, and no one ever did them any harm.
> >
> > We should have learnt the lessons from the UKB and now we need to
> > move on to markII - I hope it wasn't all for nothing - we are so
> > close.
> >
> > It would be a shame to waste all of it.
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com,
> "lou" <loulh@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is one post I strongly agree with. Perhaps Howard should
be
> > brought
> > > into the discussion on how to help finance a new book. Perhaps
a
> > guaranteed
> > > number of sales or whatever.
> > >
> > > PS - The many many good ideas raise hope that this time a
solution
> > will
> > > indeed be found.
> > >
> > > lou howard
> > > =====================================================
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxu <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:57 AM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> > >
> > >
> > > > Brian is right that the Help manual is incomplete and
inadequate.
> > > >
> > > > I don't buy the argument that "we shouldn't expect it
to be
> > complete
> > > > because AmiBroker is cheap".
> > > >
> > > > I know it's just TJ and Marcin, but that's TJ's choice.
I've
> > stated
> > > > before, and I'll state again, I would happily pay $500 for
> > AmiBroker
> > > > IF it had great on-line help manuals. IF it had something
along
> > the
> > > > lines of a decent beginners, intermediate and advanced
users
> > guide.
> > > > And I'm sure new incremental users would come on board as
> > AmiBroker
> > > > becomes more 'accessbile' to the masses.
> > > >
> > > > I took the plunge with AmiBroker, and there is absolutely
no
> > doubting
> > > > it's a fine product.
> > > >
> > > > The users of AmiBroker deserve to get the same support as
they
> > would
> > > > if they chose to purchase one of the C# based alternatives
-
> > namely
> > > > Ninja, RightEdge or OpenQuant etc. IF they have to pay more
for
> > that
> > > > support, then so be it... TJ can hire someone to work
solely
on
> > new
> > > > user guides for the next 6 months. Shouldn't cost too much.
> > > >
> > > > Let's pretend that Howard produces a 'beginners' book for
> > AmiBroker,
> > > > then another one for more advanced users, say focusing on
the
> > custom
> > > > backtester... suddenly we've got three books for
AmiBroker
coming
> > in
> > > > at $50 each... that's $150.
> > > >
> > > > Personally I'd be happy with either solution. A Howard
provided
> > > > alternative that costs $150, or an in-house AmiBRoker one
that
> > adds
> > > > $150 to AB price.
> > > >
> > > > But let's at least have one of the two alternatives.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com, "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeez Brian, even TJ admits that everything is not
perfect,
but
> > there
> > > > are
> > > >> only 24 hours in a day and how much harder do you think
he
can
> > work?
> > > > He is
> > > >> human like the rest of us, if you spot an error or
ommision,
just
> > > > report it
> > > >> so he can fix it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Steve
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > > >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxu <mailto:amibroker%
40yahoogroups.com> ps.com>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:08 PM
> > > >> Subject: [amibroker] Help Manual
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There are far too many Help Manual questions
posted in
this
> > forum.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This takes up our valueable time answering
questions that
> > should have
> > > >> > been answered by AmiBroker.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In fact they waste far more time than OT posts.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Our precious time would be far better spent
answering more
> > interesting
> > > >> > questions.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Some of the features in AB aren't explained in the
manual,
> > some things
> > > >> > are out of date and sometimes the explanations are
a bit
> > cryptic.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Example:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Prettify was added to the Formula Editor in beta
version
5.04
> > > >> > - included in devlog under version 5.05 Feb08
> > > >> > - official release v5.10 in June08 which includes
manual
5.10
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ami website PDF manual is still version 5.00
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Search PDF for prettify == nothing
> > > >> > - Search
AB manual version 5.1 for
prettify == nothing
> > > >> > - Use
AB site search engine == nothing
> > > >> > - Google amibroker.com == 3 hits from devlog
> > > >> > - devlog records release but has no info about it
and no
> > > > explanation in
> > > >> > the read me
> > > >> > - searched KB == nothing
> > > >> > - searched UKB == nothing
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The screenshot of the FE edit dropdown menu, in
the Help
> > Manual is out
> > > >> > of date (at least it looks different to my version
5.10)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.amibroke
<http://www.amibroker.com/guide/w_afledit.html>
> r.com/guide/w_afledit.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The Devlog just says that the Prettify function
was
added ...
> > > > looked in
> > > >> > the AFL function list and couldn't find
anything... is it a
> > > > function or
> > > >> > a function()?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > New features should be explained in the official
help
manual
> > that
> > > > comes
> > > >> > out immediately after the beta inclusion.
> > > >> > We should not have to search elsewhere but even if
we do
we,
> > in this
> > > >> > case, we still find nothing.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It shouldn't be up to volunteers to explain help
manual
items
> > in this
> > > >> > forum, or the UKB, or anywhere else.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It saves AB some effort if they don't have to keep
the
manual
> > up to
> > > >> > date but the effort is transferred to the
volunteers, who
have
> > to
> > > >> > answer it scores of times, instead of AB answering
it once.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If we all took the rationalist approach, that some
people
are
> > > >> > advocating e.g. "users should have skills or
lower their
> > sights or pay
> > > >> > Graham", and charged AB for the time we spend
providing AB
> > support
> > > > then
> > > >> > the program would cost thousands of dollars and
wouldn't
look
> > so
> > > > cheap,
> > > >> > up against other software, afterall
> > > >> >
> > > >> > brian_z
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ------------------------------------
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Please note that this group is for discussion
between
users
> > only.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an
e-mail
directly to
> > > >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news
always check
> > DEVLOG:
> > > >> > http://www.amibroke
<http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/>
> r.com/devlog/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For other support material please check also:
> > > >> > http://www.amibroke
<http://www.amibroker.com/support.html>
> r.com/support.html
> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
only.
> > > >
> > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
directly
to
> > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > > >
> > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/>
r.com/devlog/
> > > >
> > > > For other support material please check also:
> > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html>
> r.com/support.html
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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