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Nothing to do with your post.
It was just a personal comment to you (OT I guess).
I put it there so you would find it.
I love 'Blue Sky'.....
...you do make me laugh sometimes to.
As I said... I quite like you actually.... apart from when you are
occassionally acting lile a %^&^&**
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Fred Tonetti <ftonetti@xxx> wrote:
>
> As I said .
>
>
>
> . Blue Sky .
>
>
>
> While my comments were not directed at you as my post wasn't even in
> response to yours not only have you apparently taken them as such
you have
> totally ignored the context which I would have thought would have
been right
> up your alley i.e. totally non specific except that I'm sure the non
> programmer type traders get it.
>
>
>
> Does that put you in the group of non programming non traders ?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf
> Of brian_z111
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:11 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
>
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> No hard feelings mate.
>
> Overall I think you mean well... you certainly have shared a lot
and
> have a good community spirit.
>
> Pity about your inexplicable tendency to get cranky but I
overlooked
> that many times because of your outstanding community effort.
>
> Yoy don't really know me and vice versa.
>
> If I wanted to, I could make a far more incisive critique of you,
> than what can make of me, but I don't do things like that because I
> am not an ultra-rationalist.... I have a bit more depth to me... I
> take into account the touchy feely things I know about you and the
> long term damage it would do to you if I hauled off and smashed you
> one back.
>
> Also... the only times we did go 'tete a tete' for a few seconds I
> actually out thought you but you didn't even notice.
>
> You can see now, that I was ahead of Phsst - the only one who was
> keeping up with me was Tomasz (or others in the background who
> remained silent).
>
> Definitely you and Phsst weren't even in the play - you were both
> just jumping up and down on the sideline like dancing girls -
> entertaining to some but not what we were there for.
>
> But of course... you are probably in denial about that.
>
> brian_z
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com, Fred
> Tonetti <ftonetti@> wrote:
> >
> > Understand that the comments below are from someone who has done
> programming
> > since long before there were personal computers and been an
trader /
> > investor for almost as long .
> >
> >
> >
> > IMHO there is from many peoples perspective a deeper issue here .
> >
> >
> >
> > That issue is that by definition there are more people who are
> traders /
> > investors looking for a platform to use then there are
programmers
> who are
> > looking for a platform.
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefore the more user friendly the documentation AND the
platform
> are to
> > use the wider the appeal is .
> >
> >
> >
> > As an example the typical trader will have many ideas about
things
> that
> > he/she wants to do. If doing what seems simple to them from a
> conceptual
> > perspective is difficult to do from a practical perspective i.e.
> requires
> > something more than simple straight forward AFL and some fill in
> the blanks
> > parameters they only have a couple of choices . struggle with it
> for ever,
> > hire someone or find another platform . For example while of
course
> very
> > powerful, implementations like that of scaling in / out and the
> custom
> > backtester will give most people without previous programming
> experience the
> > willies.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of sidhartha70
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:55 PM
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Well, Howard is apprently writing another book. A beginners book.
> > Which is great. He could (should to save the planet) sell it in
the
> > form of an e-Book.
> >
> > Bottom line is, learning AFL and what it can do, is exactly the
same
> > as learning any other language (e.g. C#). I don't think its too
much
> > to ask to have the same level & quality of available
documentation
> in
> > order to complete the task.
> >
> > If you expect people to learn a proprietary language, therefore
> tying
> > them to your product, you've got to supply the correct
information,
> in
> > the correct format, to help people get where they're going.
Surely?
> >
> > Or am I off the reservation here...? ;-)
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com,
> > <professor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To have a manual that is complete and current would take a lot
of
> > time and effort not only to write the manual, but to also keep it
> > current. I would suggest that if someone wants to take the
trouble
> to
> > write and update the manual, they could have a pay site with the
> > manual on it. They could charge a nominal annual membership fee.
> Then
> > the members could have access to the manual all year and the
writer
> or
> > writers would have a least received some compensation for their
> effort.
> > >
> > > I realize that this would not be a big money making effort, but
it
> > would be helpful to the members and provide some compensation to
the
> > writer. It could even be presentated as an ebook which could be
> > downloaded. The members would be able to get an up dated ebook as
> > changes, corrections, and additions are added.
> > >
> > > I think that if the annual membership was reasonable, enough
> people
> > would subsribe to make it feasilbe. I would be glad to provide
help
> > with a web site and producing the ebook.
> > >
> > > Just my humble suggestion,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > I
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: brian_z111
> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:13 AM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> > >
> > >
> > > Howard hasn't posted for a while.
> > >
> > > We can't presume... he is a volunteer also and doesn't make
much
> > > money out of his books... unless AB is paying?
> > >
> > > It comes down to Tomasz.
> > > Hopefully Herman is talking to Tomasz.
> > > Herman is very good in that role.
> > >
> > > Remember that Herman, Tomasz and I have worked together before.
> > >
> > > We know each other quite well, in that regard e.g they know I
am
> a
> > > bit grumpy to work with and Herman knows the way I like to
> work...I
> > > always wanted to have an open format.... there was support for
a
> Wiki
> > > Help Manual at the ATP.... in the workforce I found out that
> people
> > > can be trusted... if you trust them they won't let you down.
> > >
> > > I used to post my files on the company intranet, without any
> > > protection, and no one ever did them any harm.
> > >
> > > We should have learnt the lessons from the UKB and now we need
to
> > > move on to markII - I hope it wasn't all for nothing - we are
so
> > > close.
> > >
> > > It would be a shame to waste all of it.
> > >
> > > brian_z
> > >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com,
> > "lou" <loulh@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is one post I strongly agree with. Perhaps Howard should
> be
> > > brought
> > > > into the discussion on how to help finance a new book.
Perhaps
> a
> > > guaranteed
> > > > number of sales or whatever.
> > > >
> > > > PS - The many many good ideas raise hope that this time a
> solution
> > > will
> > > > indeed be found.
> > > >
> > > > lou howard
> > > > =====================================================
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@>
> > > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
> ps.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:57 AM
> > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Brian is right that the Help manual is incomplete and
> inadequate.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't buy the argument that "we shouldn't expect it to be
> > > complete
> > > > > because AmiBroker is cheap".
> > > > >
> > > > > I know it's just TJ and Marcin, but that's TJ's choice.
I've
> > > stated
> > > > > before, and I'll state again, I would happily pay $500 for
> > > AmiBroker
> > > > > IF it had great on-line help manuals. IF it had something
> along
> > > the
> > > > > lines of a decent beginners, intermediate and advanced
users
> > > guide.
> > > > > And I'm sure new incremental users would come on board as
> > > AmiBroker
> > > > > becomes more 'accessbile' to the masses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I took the plunge with AmiBroker, and there is absolutely
no
> > > doubting
> > > > > it's a fine product.
> > > > >
> > > > > The users of AmiBroker deserve to get the same support as
> they
> > > would
> > > > > if they chose to purchase one of the C# based alternatives -
> > > namely
> > > > > Ninja, RightEdge or OpenQuant etc. IF they have to pay more
> for
> > > that
> > > > > support, then so be it... TJ can hire someone to work
solely
> on
> > > new
> > > > > user guides for the next 6 months. Shouldn't cost too much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's pretend that Howard produces a 'beginners' book for
> > > AmiBroker,
> > > > > then another one for more advanced users, say focusing on
the
> > > custom
> > > > > backtester... suddenly we've got three books for AmiBroker
> coming
> > > in
> > > > > at $50 each... that's $150.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally I'd be happy with either solution. A Howard
> provided
> > > > > alternative that costs $150, or an in-house AmiBRoker one
> that
> > > adds
> > > > > $150 to AB price.
> > > > >
> > > > > But let's at least have one of the two alternatives.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > ps.com, "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jeez Brian, even TJ admits that everything is not perfect,
> but
> > > there
> > > > > are
> > > > >> only 24 hours in a day and how much harder do you think he
> can
> > > work?
> > > > > He is
> > > > >> human like the rest of us, if you spot an error or
ommision,
> just
> > > > > report it
> > > > >> so he can fix it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Steve
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > > > >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com> ps.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:08 PM
> > > > >> Subject: [amibroker] Help Manual
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There are far too many Help Manual questions posted in
> this
> > > forum.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > This takes up our valueable time answering questions
that
> > > should have
> > > > >> > been answered by AmiBroker.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > In fact they waste far more time than OT posts.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Our precious time would be far better spent answering
more
> > > interesting
> > > > >> > questions.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Some of the features in AB aren't explained in the
manual,
> > > some things
> > > > >> > are out of date and sometimes the explanations are a bit
> > > cryptic.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Example:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Prettify was added to the Formula Editor in beta version
> 5.04
> > > > >> > - included in devlog under version 5.05 Feb08
> > > > >> > - official release v5.10 in June08 which includes manual
> 5.10
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Ami website PDF manual is still version 5.00
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Search PDF for prettify == nothing
> > > > >> > - Search AB manual version 5.1 for prettify == nothing
> > > > >> > - Use AB site search engine == nothing
> > > > >> > - Google amibroker.com == 3 hits from devlog
> > > > >> > - devlog records release but has no info about it and no
> > > > > explanation in
> > > > >> > the read me
> > > > >> > - searched KB == nothing
> > > > >> > - searched UKB == nothing
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The screenshot of the FE edit dropdown menu, in the Help
> > > Manual is out
> > > > >> > of date (at least it looks different to my version 5.10)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > http://www.amibroke
> <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/guide/w_afledit.html>
> r.com/guide/w_afledit.html>
> > r.com/guide/w_afledit.html
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The Devlog just says that the Prettify function was
> added ...
> > > > > looked in
> > > > >> > the AFL function list and couldn't find anything... is
it a
> > > > > function or
> > > > >> > a function()?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > New features should be explained in the official help
> manual
> > > that
> > > > > comes
> > > > >> > out immediately after the beta inclusion.
> > > > >> > We should not have to search elsewhere but even if we do
> we,
> > > in this
> > > > >> > case, we still find nothing.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > It shouldn't be up to volunteers to explain help manual
> items
> > > in this
> > > > >> > forum, or the UKB, or anywhere else.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > It saves AB some effort if they don't have to keep the
> manual
> > > up to
> > > > >> > date but the effort is transferred to the volunteers,
who
> have
> > > to
> > > > >> > answer it scores of times, instead of AB answering it
once.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If we all took the rationalist approach, that some
people
> are
> > > > >> > advocating e.g. "users should have skills or lower their
> > > sights or pay
> > > > >> > Graham", and charged AB for the time we spend providing
AB
> > > support
> > > > > then
> > > > >> > the program would cost thousands of dollars and wouldn't
> look
> > > so
> > > > > cheap,
> > > > >> > up against other software, afterall
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > brian_z
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ------------------------------------
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Please note that this group is for discussion between
> users
> > > only.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
> directly to
> > > > >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always
check
> > > DEVLOG:
> > > > >> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke
> <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/>
> > r.com/devlog/
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > For other support material please check also:
> > > > >> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke
> <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html> r.com/support.html>
> > r.com/support.html
> > > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
> only.
> > > > >
> > > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
directly
> to
> > > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > > > >
> > > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
> DEVLOG:
> > > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke
> <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/>
> r.com/devlog/
> > > > >
> > > > > For other support material please check also:
> > > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke
> <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html> r.com/support.html>
> > r.com/support.html
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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