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> This is an ultra-rationalist creed...... it is not 'bad'......
> IMO "bad" is indefinite policies OR misleading people etc and you
>are
> not doing that.
If you are going to maintain the honesty please:
a) next time someone trys to start a discussion in this forum about
cost of AB, AB should put on staff, YaDa, YaDa tell them immediately,
in big capitals, that you don't want advice on how to run your
business.
Better still, make it officially OT in the forum guidelines.
Also, you started discussion on these topics many times in the past.
Please don't bring them up, or use them as excuses again... I am not
interested in your business details or your business... only your
product, its price and how to use it.;
b) add a prominent statement to the Homepage of AB to let people know
that AB is designed with the power user in mind, that it is necessary
to learn one or more programming languages to use it and that a level
of computer literacy is assumed.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxx> wrote:
>
> Tomasz,
>
> Thankyou very much.
>
> For me, this is one of the best posts you ever made.
>
> This is an ultra-rationalist creed...... it is not 'bad'......
> IMO "bad" is indefinite policies OR misleading people etc and you
are
> not doing that.
>
> So, I am not angry with you.... I was only getting angry because I
> was trying to do team work with you and you are an autocrat.... now
> that I know.
>
> One important quality that people haven't given you credit for is
> your tolerance for warts and all discussion in this forum - right
out
> in the public domain e.g I gave you some brutal honesty in this
> forum, in the last couple of days, and you gave me some brutal
> honesty back.
>
> You didn't send me any email telling me to shutup or banning me
from
> the board... in fact you did a brilliant job to isolate the key
> question that was implied in my posts and you gave me the correct
> reponse.
>
> Also the facts on the UKB.
>
> Herman and I asked you to give us a platform.
> You didn't twist our arm.
> You gave us what we asked for.
> I always said it was an experiment to me and I would not cry over
> spilt milk.
> I am proud of it but it isn't a big deal, or important to me.
> You are happy with it AFAIK.
> No need to keep thanking me... enough already, jeez.
>
> A bit more talking:
>
> - I think your silent fan base are ultra-rationalists too
> - to them I am a dippy hippy (refer Fred) but you can see I can
laugh
> at myself and I can get along with your type
> - I said we need psychological balance, and that I have it, so now
I
> prove it (my first style is not ultra-rationalism but I learnt
about
> it from you and this forum and it has its uses)
> - I am sure your type hates issue talk, excess talk and OT topics
etc
> - AB is a business, not an open project and I am a client
> - I chose the product, at a business level, and I stay with it at a
> business level i.e. it does the job I bought it to do... I didn't
buy
> it because I need you or Fred to love me.... as long as I have a
> business need for it, and it meets that need, I will keep buying.
> - As I said to my dearly beloved Phsst, All this talk about whether
> you put on staff, whether AB is cheap,whether AB is the best is all
> hot air. We have filled this forum with it in my 10 years and thank
> God you have put an end to it once and for all... I am sure you
will
> have a lot less stress and more happier now that you have come out
of
> the closet
>
> > As for documenting "Prettify" function: sorry but this is as self-
> >explanatory as "File -> Save" command.
> > It was mentioned in the READ ME since beta and is also listed in
> >the User's Guide in What's new section.
>
> I searched Google... found three links ... they took me to the
> Devlog.... I followed the link from the DevLog and all I got
> was "Prettify function was added"
>
> However I did figure (based on several clues) that when I
downloaded
> 5.10 I didn't get the dll - thanks to Ken or Keith I don't have to
> email support because he reposted the download lnk yesterday.
>
>
>
>
>
> > The guide is not for 5-years-old. It assumes that readers know
> what "save", "open", "copy" and other
> > verbs mean. Again: the help is technical reference and makes
> assumptions about minimum skill level of
> > the user. AmiBroker generally speaking is for computer literate
> people (aka "power users").
>
> Well Fred thinks I am 12, so I pass the qualification.
>
> That's me... I am a 'wanna be' power user.
>
> I asked "What is the next stop on the AFL line?"
>
> You gave me the answer... thanks.
>
>
>
> My decisions (you see I am very decisive too):
>
>
>
> Like Paul Ho, I have friends to dine with and lots of things I like
> to do.
>
> I can look after myself - contrary to what some may think I almost
> never asked a question in this forum and hardly sent any questions
to
> AB asking what to do ... certainly less than my share.
>
> I will not do any projects with you, or help you ... AB is a
business
> and not a charity or an open project.
>
> Also, you are an autocrat and I am stubborn and like my own way..
not
> a good combination.
>
> I won't do any hand holding in this forum... no answers for newbies
> here ... if you have a question go ask AB support.
>
> Where I do help I will only be doing it to help other users and not
> AB or Tomasz.
>
> I will talk less (hooraah shouts a chorus of ultra-rationalists)
and
> lurk more.
>
> Please do me a favour and stop the forum talking any more of this
$#%
> ^& about big ideas for AB when we all know the only ideas that
count,
> in AB, are yours.
>
> Thanks once again... you taught me a lot so far... it is good fun.
>
>
> brian_z
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > FYI:
> > Marcin is only responding to e-mails sent to support at
> amibroker.com.
> > He has no other duties.
> >
> > All development, documentation, web design, all graphics, videos,
> maintenance and every other bit
> > on amibroker.com is my own work.
> >
> > And yes it is my choice and I am happy with it and won't change
my
> methods of work.
> > I was always doing everything on my own and did not ask for any
> help and
> > I am perfectly fine with that.
> >
> > It may sound blunt, but I am not looking for any advice how
should
> I conduct my business.
> >
> > Regarding manual for the beginners, I already said, Howard IS
> already writing beginner's book (I have seen parts of it) and
> > all you need to do is to buy Howard's book when it becomes
> available. He is good in writing for beginners.
> >
> > AB's own help is the technical reference, it is not and won't
ever
> be "hand-holding" elementary book.
> >
> > As for documenting "Prettify" function: sorry but this is as self-
> explanatory as "File -> Save" command.
> > It was mentioned in the READ ME since beta and is also listed in
> the User's Guide in What's new section.
> > The guide is not for 5-years-old. It assumes that readers know
> what "save", "open", "copy" and other
> > verbs mean. Again: the help is technical reference and makes
> assumptions about minimum skill level of
> > the user. AmiBroker generally speaking is for computer literate
> people (aka "power users").
> >
> > You may hate it, but it is my way of doing things. You are free
to
> choose something else.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:57 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
> >
> >
> > > Brian is right that the Help manual is incomplete and
inadequate.
> > >
> > > I don't buy the argument that "we shouldn't expect it to be
> complete
> > > because AmiBroker is cheap".
> > >
> > > I know it's just TJ and Marcin, but that's TJ's choice. I've
> stated
> > > before, and I'll state again, I would happily pay $500 for
> AmiBroker
> > > IF it had great on-line help manuals. IF it had something along
> the
> > > lines of a decent beginners, intermediate and advanced users
> guide.
> > > And I'm sure new incremental users would come on board as
> AmiBroker
> > > becomes more 'accessbile' to the masses.
> > >
> > > I took the plunge with AmiBroker, and there is absolutely no
> doubting
> > > it's a fine product.
> > >
> > > The users of AmiBroker deserve to get the same support as they
> would
> > > if they chose to purchase one of the C# based alternatives -
> namely
> > > Ninja, RightEdge or OpenQuant etc. IF they have to pay more for
> that
> > > support, then so be it... TJ can hire someone to work solely on
> new
> > > user guides for the next 6 months. Shouldn't cost too much.
> > >
> > > Let's pretend that Howard produces a 'beginners' book for
> AmiBroker,
> > > then another one for more advanced users, say focusing on the
> custom
> > > backtester... suddenly we've got three books for AmiBroker
coming
> in
> > > at $50 each... that's $150.
> > >
> > > Personally I'd be happy with either solution. A Howard provided
> > > alternative that costs $150, or an in-house AmiBRoker one that
> adds
> > > $150 to AB price.
> > >
> > > But let's at least have one of the two alternatives.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@>
wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Jeez Brian, even TJ admits that everything is not perfect, but
> there
> > > are
> > >> only 24 hours in a day and how much harder do you think he can
> work?
> > > He is
> > >> human like the rest of us, if you spot an error or ommision,
just
> > > report it
> > >> so he can fix it.
> > >>
> > >> Steve
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:08 PM
> > >> Subject: [amibroker] Help Manual
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > There are far too many Help Manual questions posted in this
> forum.
> > >> >
> > >> > This takes up our valueable time answering questions that
> should have
> > >> > been answered by AmiBroker.
> > >> >
> > >> > In fact they waste far more time than OT posts.
> > >> >
> > >> > Our precious time would be far better spent answering more
> interesting
> > >> > questions.
> > >> >
> > >> > Some of the features in AB aren't explained in the manual,
> some things
> > >> > are out of date and sometimes the explanations are a bit
> cryptic.
> > >> >
> > >> > Example:
> > >> >
> > >> > Prettify was added to the Formula Editor in beta version 5.04
> > >> > - included in devlog under version 5.05 Feb08
> > >> > - official release v5.10 in June08 which includes manual 5.10
> > >> >
> > >> > Ami website PDF manual is still version 5.00
> > >> >
> > >> > - Search PDF for prettify == nothing
> > >> > - Search AB manual version 5.1 for prettify == nothing
> > >> > - Use AB site search engine == nothing
> > >> > - Google amibroker.com == 3 hits from devlog
> > >> > - devlog records release but has no info about it and no
> > > explanation in
> > >> > the read me
> > >> > - searched KB == nothing
> > >> > - searched UKB == nothing
> > >> >
> > >> > The screenshot of the FE edit dropdown menu, in the Help
> Manual is out
> > >> > of date (at least it looks different to my version 5.10)
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/w_afledit.html
> > >> >
> > >> > The Devlog just says that the Prettify function was added ...
> > > looked in
> > >> > the AFL function list and couldn't find anything... is it a
> > > function or
> > >> > a function()?
> > >> >
> > >> > New features should be explained in the official help manual
> that
> > > comes
> > >> > out immediately after the beta inclusion.
> > >> > We should not have to search elsewhere but even if we do we,
> in this
> > >> > case, we still find nothing.
> > >> >
> > >> > It shouldn't be up to volunteers to explain help manual
items
> in this
> > >> > forum, or the UKB, or anywhere else.
> > >> >
> > >> > It saves AB some effort if they don't have to keep the
manual
> up to
> > >> > date but the effort is transferred to the volunteers, who
have
> to
> > >> > answer it scores of times, instead of AB answering it once.
> > >> >
> > >> > If we all took the rationalist approach, that some people are
> > >> > advocating e.g. "users should have skills or lower their
> sights or pay
> > >> > Graham", and charged AB for the time we spend providing AB
> support
> > > then
> > >> > the program would cost thousands of dollars and wouldn't
look
> so
> > > cheap,
> > >> > up against other software, afterall
> > >> >
> > >> > brian_z
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
> only.
> > >> >
> > >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly
to
> > >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > >> >
> > >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
> DEVLOG:
> > >> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> > >> >
> > >> > For other support material please check also:
> > >> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
only.
> > >
> > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> > >
> > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> > > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> > >
> > > For other support material please check also:
> > > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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