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Tomasz,
Thankyou very much.
For me, this is one of the best posts you ever made.
This is an ultra-rationalist creed...... it is not 'bad'......
IMO "bad" is indefinite policies OR misleading people etc and you are
not doing that.
So, I am not angry with you.... I was only getting angry because I
was trying to do team work with you and you are an autocrat.... now
that I know.
One important quality that people haven't given you credit for is
your tolerance for warts and all discussion in this forum - right out
in the public domain e.g I gave you some brutal honesty in this
forum, in the last couple of days, and you gave me some brutal
honesty back.
You didn't send me any email telling me to shutup or banning me from
the board... in fact you did a brilliant job to isolate the key
question that was implied in my posts and you gave me the correct
reponse.
Also the facts on the UKB.
Herman and I asked you to give us a platform.
You didn't twist our arm.
You gave us what we asked for.
I always said it was an experiment to me and I would not cry over
spilt milk.
I am proud of it but it isn't a big deal, or important to me.
You are happy with it AFAIK.
No need to keep thanking me... enough already, jeez.
A bit more talking:
- I think your silent fan base are ultra-rationalists too
- to them I am a dippy hippy (refer Fred) but you can see I can laugh
at myself and I can get along with your type
- I said we need psychological balance, and that I have it, so now I
prove it (my first style is not ultra-rationalism but I learnt about
it from you and this forum and it has its uses)
- I am sure your type hates issue talk, excess talk and OT topics etc
- AB is a business, not an open project and I am a client
- I chose the product, at a business level, and I stay with it at a
business level i.e. it does the job I bought it to do... I didn't buy
it because I need you or Fred to love me.... as long as I have a
business need for it, and it meets that need, I will keep buying.
- As I said to my dearly beloved Phsst, All this talk about whether
you put on staff, whether AB is cheap,whether AB is the best is all
hot air. We have filled this forum with it in my 10 years and thank
God you have put an end to it once and for all... I am sure you will
have a lot less stress and more happier now that you have come out of
the closet
> As for documenting "Prettify" function: sorry but this is as self-
>explanatory as "File -> Save" command.
> It was mentioned in the READ ME since beta and is also listed in
>the User's Guide in What's new section.
I searched Google... found three links ... they took me to the
Devlog.... I followed the link from the DevLog and all I got
was "Prettify function was added"
However I did figure (based on several clues) that when I downloaded
5.10 I didn't get the dll - thanks to Ken or Keith I don't have to
email support because he reposted the download lnk yesterday.
> The guide is not for 5-years-old. It assumes that readers know
what "save", "open", "copy" and other
> verbs mean. Again: the help is technical reference and makes
assumptions about minimum skill level of
> the user. AmiBroker generally speaking is for computer literate
people (aka "power users").
Well Fred thinks I am 12, so I pass the qualification.
That's me... I am a 'wanna be' power user.
I asked "What is the next stop on the AFL line?"
You gave me the answer... thanks.
My decisions (you see I am very decisive too):
Like Paul Ho, I have friends to dine with and lots of things I like
to do.
I can look after myself - contrary to what some may think I almost
never asked a question in this forum and hardly sent any questions to
AB asking what to do ... certainly less than my share.
I will not do any projects with you, or help you ... AB is a business
and not a charity or an open project.
Also, you are an autocrat and I am stubborn and like my own way.. not
a good combination.
I won't do any hand holding in this forum... no answers for newbies
here ... if you have a question go ask AB support.
Where I do help I will only be doing it to help other users and not
AB or Tomasz.
I will talk less (hooraah shouts a chorus of ultra-rationalists) and
lurk more.
Please do me a favour and stop the forum talking any more of this $#%
^& about big ideas for AB when we all know the only ideas that count,
in AB, are yours.
Thanks once again... you taught me a lot so far... it is good fun.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> FYI:
> Marcin is only responding to e-mails sent to support at
amibroker.com.
> He has no other duties.
>
> All development, documentation, web design, all graphics, videos,
maintenance and every other bit
> on amibroker.com is my own work.
>
> And yes it is my choice and I am happy with it and won't change my
methods of work.
> I was always doing everything on my own and did not ask for any
help and
> I am perfectly fine with that.
>
> It may sound blunt, but I am not looking for any advice how should
I conduct my business.
>
> Regarding manual for the beginners, I already said, Howard IS
already writing beginner's book (I have seen parts of it) and
> all you need to do is to buy Howard's book when it becomes
available. He is good in writing for beginners.
>
> AB's own help is the technical reference, it is not and won't ever
be "hand-holding" elementary book.
>
> As for documenting "Prettify" function: sorry but this is as self-
explanatory as "File -> Save" command.
> It was mentioned in the READ ME since beta and is also listed in
the User's Guide in What's new section.
> The guide is not for 5-years-old. It assumes that readers know
what "save", "open", "copy" and other
> verbs mean. Again: the help is technical reference and makes
assumptions about minimum skill level of
> the user. AmiBroker generally speaking is for computer literate
people (aka "power users").
>
> You may hate it, but it is my way of doing things. You are free to
choose something else.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@xxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:57 AM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual
>
>
> > Brian is right that the Help manual is incomplete and inadequate.
> >
> > I don't buy the argument that "we shouldn't expect it to be
complete
> > because AmiBroker is cheap".
> >
> > I know it's just TJ and Marcin, but that's TJ's choice. I've
stated
> > before, and I'll state again, I would happily pay $500 for
AmiBroker
> > IF it had great on-line help manuals. IF it had something along
the
> > lines of a decent beginners, intermediate and advanced users
guide.
> > And I'm sure new incremental users would come on board as
AmiBroker
> > becomes more 'accessbile' to the masses.
> >
> > I took the plunge with AmiBroker, and there is absolutely no
doubting
> > it's a fine product.
> >
> > The users of AmiBroker deserve to get the same support as they
would
> > if they chose to purchase one of the C# based alternatives -
namely
> > Ninja, RightEdge or OpenQuant etc. IF they have to pay more for
that
> > support, then so be it... TJ can hire someone to work solely on
new
> > user guides for the next 6 months. Shouldn't cost too much.
> >
> > Let's pretend that Howard produces a 'beginners' book for
AmiBroker,
> > then another one for more advanced users, say focusing on the
custom
> > backtester... suddenly we've got three books for AmiBroker coming
in
> > at $50 each... that's $150.
> >
> > Personally I'd be happy with either solution. A Howard provided
> > alternative that costs $150, or an in-house AmiBRoker one that
adds
> > $150 to AB price.
> >
> > But let's at least have one of the two alternatives.
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jeez Brian, even TJ admits that everything is not perfect, but
there
> > are
> >> only 24 hours in a day and how much harder do you think he can
work?
> > He is
> >> human like the rest of us, if you spot an error or ommision, just
> > report it
> >> so he can fix it.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:08 PM
> >> Subject: [amibroker] Help Manual
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > There are far too many Help Manual questions posted in this
forum.
> >> >
> >> > This takes up our valueable time answering questions that
should have
> >> > been answered by AmiBroker.
> >> >
> >> > In fact they waste far more time than OT posts.
> >> >
> >> > Our precious time would be far better spent answering more
interesting
> >> > questions.
> >> >
> >> > Some of the features in AB aren't explained in the manual,
some things
> >> > are out of date and sometimes the explanations are a bit
cryptic.
> >> >
> >> > Example:
> >> >
> >> > Prettify was added to the Formula Editor in beta version 5.04
> >> > - included in devlog under version 5.05 Feb08
> >> > - official release v5.10 in June08 which includes manual 5.10
> >> >
> >> > Ami website PDF manual is still version 5.00
> >> >
> >> > - Search PDF for prettify == nothing
> >> > - Search AB manual version 5.1 for prettify == nothing
> >> > - Use AB site search engine == nothing
> >> > - Google amibroker.com == 3 hits from devlog
> >> > - devlog records release but has no info about it and no
> > explanation in
> >> > the read me
> >> > - searched KB == nothing
> >> > - searched UKB == nothing
> >> >
> >> > The screenshot of the FE edit dropdown menu, in the Help
Manual is out
> >> > of date (at least it looks different to my version 5.10)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/w_afledit.html
> >> >
> >> > The Devlog just says that the Prettify function was added ...
> > looked in
> >> > the AFL function list and couldn't find anything... is it a
> > function or
> >> > a function()?
> >> >
> >> > New features should be explained in the official help manual
that
> > comes
> >> > out immediately after the beta inclusion.
> >> > We should not have to search elsewhere but even if we do we,
in this
> >> > case, we still find nothing.
> >> >
> >> > It shouldn't be up to volunteers to explain help manual items
in this
> >> > forum, or the UKB, or anywhere else.
> >> >
> >> > It saves AB some effort if they don't have to keep the manual
up to
> >> > date but the effort is transferred to the volunteers, who have
to
> >> > answer it scores of times, instead of AB answering it once.
> >> >
> >> > If we all took the rationalist approach, that some people are
> >> > advocating e.g. "users should have skills or lower their
sights or pay
> >> > Graham", and charged AB for the time we spend providing AB
support
> > then
> >> > the program would cost thousands of dollars and wouldn't look
so
> > cheap,
> >> > up against other software, afterall
> >> >
> >> > brian_z
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users
only.
> >> >
> >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >> >
> >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> >> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >> >
> >> > For other support material please check also:
> >> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
> >
> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >
> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >
> > For other support material please check also:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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