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                                 > 3. Level of spiritual 
                                attainment. 
                                
  
                                Semantics plays a part in 
                                any discussion, especially when we 
                                are  
                                crossing cultures etc. It 
                                plays a greater role in 
                                'spiritual'  
                                discussion than it does in 
                                any other. 
                                
  
                                So, first the 
                                semantics. 
                                
  
                                We are not limited to the 
                                term 'spirituality' as we can talk 
                                around  
                                the same area in many 
                                different terms (objective 
                                mind/subjective  
                                mind, rational/intuitive, 
                                super-consciousness, super-rationality 
                                the  
                                collective unconscious, 
                                God, the Soul, the Divine, the Supreme 
                                and  
                                millions more). 
                                
  
                                For ease of discussion I 
                                will stick with 'spirituality'. 
                                
  
                                A few basic 
                                points: 
                                
  
                                - generally the 'spiritual 
                                gene' is latent in humanity, across 
                                all  
                                cultures 
                                - it is more virile in a 
                                small %  
                                - it is particularly latent 
                                in the West/modern culture where we 
                                have  
                                turned our back on our 
                                spirituality 
                                - I dare say this forum has 
                                more than its share of latent  
                                spirituality under the 
                                surface 
                                - the psychic opposites are 
                                not antagonistic forces e.g. soul 
                                versus  
                                body but rather a 
                                complimentary whole so that is not a matter 
                                of  
                                logic/programming trading 
                                versus intuitive/discretionary trading. 
                                We  
                                are all using both, at 
                                different times and places, even those 
                                who  
                                deny it (there is no such 
                                thing as a 100% objective/rational 
                                person). 
                                - a healthy psyche has a 
                                good balance and flows between each 
                                psychic  
                                pole in its own 
                                season. 
                                
  
                                The main pragmatic 
                                points: 
                                
  
                                - we can't bootstrap our 
                                subjective mind so we have to turn 
                                to  
                                mentors for written or oral 
                                teaching 
                                - some have more aptitude 
                                for it than others 
                                - I was very priviliged to 
                                have some experience in these matters 
                                long  
                                before I started trading 
                                (my subjective consciousness/soul 
                                was  
                                already active and able to 
                                express itself in the world) but it 
                                still  
                                took years of pragmatic, 
                                practical, objective work to 'program' 
                                the  
                                trading mind to match i.e. 
                                I had to pass a sufficient number 
                                of  
                                exams, in the core units, 
                                at the 'University of Trading', before 
                                I  
                                could 'enter the trading 
                                zone'. 
                                
  
                                In laymans terms, my 
                                intuitive mind was functioning but I still 
                                had  
                                to go out and tediously 
                                train my rational/objective mind, and 
                                learn  
                                as many of the objective 
                                rules of trading as I could, before 
                                the  
                                subjective and the 
                                objective minds could synchronize in the 
                                trading  
                                room. 
                                
  
                                "Give unto Caeser that 
                                which is Caesers AND give homage to your 
                                God". 
                                
  
                                brian_z 
                                
  
                                --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com, "Jan Malmberg" <jan@xxx> 
                                wrote: 
                                > 
                                > Hi, 
                                >  
                                > I sometimes daytrade 
                                using even delayed data for the charts, and 
                                a  
                                list 
                                > compiled list stored 
                                in my broker's web application. It 
                                works  
                                alright. Most 
                                > of the time I do 
                                short-to-mid-term swing trading. With just 
                                the 15- 
                                min 
                                > delayed data. Ok, 
                                real-time for the indexes. 
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > Here's my 
                                opinion. 
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > The three components 
                                that determine your success are 
                                usually: 
                                >  
                                > 1. Level of analysis. 
                                How good you can produce low-risk 
                                entries  
                                with a 
                                > probable future 
                                outcome, which of course is never totally 
                                possible. 
                                > 2. Level of money 
                                management. How much you bet on one 
                                single  
                                trade, how 
                                > well you scale in, 
                                scale out, set and stick to stop-orders, 
                                and  
                                more. 
                                > 3. Level of spiritual 
                                attainment. How much you have attained 
                                the 
                                > "no-mind" state of the 
                                ancient warriors and spiritually 
                                achieved  
                                people. 
                                > Which means that you 
                                fearlessly execute trades while maintaining 
                                a 
                                > risk-appropriate 
                                behavior. Only really possible when you no 
                                longer  
                                fear the 
                                > horrible market and 
                                what it might do to you. 
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > Which one is most 
                                important? The one you lack the most at 
                                the  
                                moment. I was 
                                > fortunate to start out 
                                with fairly solid money management from 
                                the  
                                start. 
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > Best regards / 
                                JM 
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > _____  
                                >  
                                >  
                                > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com]  
                                On Behalf 
                                > Of Louis P. 
                                > Sent: Thursday, 31 
                                July 2008 2:15 PM 
                                > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com 
                                > Subject: [amibroker] 
                                Anyone actually making money? 
                                >  
                                > Hi, 
                                >  
                                > I was only 
                                wondering... Anyone actually making money or 
                                making a  
                                living 
                                > with AB and 
                                trading? 
                                >  
                                > I've been working on 
                                ideas and plans for over 7 months now 
                                and  
                                didn't find 
                                > anything convincing 
                                yet. I've been searching daily data, 
                                then  
                                hourly, 
                                > 15-minute and now I am 
                                into 1-minute data and nothing 
                                seems  
                                satisfying. 
                                > Been searching RSI, 
                                MFI, ADX, MA, HHV, LLV... nothing seems to 
                                work. 
                                >  
                                > So... Anyone is making 
                                consistent money with this, and if so, 
                                at  
                                which 
                                > timeframe and how do 
                                you do it?  
                                >  
                                > I'm beginning to think 
                                about switching to tick database; it 
                                seems  
                                even 
                                > 1-minute is too slow 
                                for intraday trading. Anyone making money 
                                with 
                                > 1-minute? 
                                >  
                                > Thanks, 
                                >  
                                > Louis 
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