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Tomasz,
Thanks for putting a smile on Dennis's face.
Dennis,
You don't get to complain about anything again, not until after we
have all had our turn - all 7000 of us :-)
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>
> Tomasz,
>
> WOW!!!
>
> THANK YOU!
> THANK YOU!
> THANK YOU!
>
> I could not wait, and shut down my trading to load the new version.
> I tested out all these issues on my system and as you say, all are
> fixed --even the ones that were hard to replicate.
>
> Not only that, but you, also went beyond and added the magnet
toggle
> key feature. I did not think of that one, but in using it just
now,
> it greatly enhances the ease of drawing studies.
>
> Simple studies in AB have gone from a frustration to a dream for me
in
> the last hour. Now I can draw studies quickly and accurately
while
> trading --and I don't need a second program to do it. I have no
> reservations in recommending AB to my trader friends who rely on
> studies now.
>
> THANK YOU!
>
> Dennis :-)))))))))
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > All problems you raised are now fixed in AmiBroker 5.13 BETA:
> >
> > http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2008/06/27/amibroker-5130-beta-
released/
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxx>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
> >
> >
> >> Thank you all for the many responses that made this thread a good
> >> exchange of ideas well beyond the original post. I especially
want
> >> to
> >> thank Tomasz for his responses and for taking the time to
carefully
> >> consider the issues presented and for taking action on the items
he
> >> decided were important.
> >>
> >> The area of drawing tools enhancements seems to have sparked
interest
> >> in a number of people on this thread, and also from private
messages
> >> to me. Perhaps Tomasz will address enhancing this area as part
of
> >> the
> >> AB roadmap for future releases based on suggestions made by
users who
> >> are familiar with useful drawing tools in other programs, or
perhaps
> >> through the plug-in or enhanced AFL routes suggested here.
Whatever
> >> the means, drawing studies are important for some types of
trading
> >> that AmiBroker is also suited to do. Especially to hybrid
methods
> >> that combine AFL and studies. Most traders have incredible
high
> >> speed
> >> pattern recognition engines connected directly to their eyes.
8^)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:20 PM, tradinghumble wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dennis - I agree with all your points and support them.
Although AB
> >>> has been advancing in the system development arena the basic
> >>> charting
> >>> and drawing is still behind tools like Metastock (which has not
> >>> received an update in 10 years).... overall a good product but
would
> >>> rate it 5 out 10 in charting/drawing.
> >>>
> >>> -- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You make an interesting point. I belong to a trading board
(paid
> >>>> subscription) with a number of very helpful posters. Every
month
> >>>> everyone on the board is asked to email the names of the two
> >>>> posters
> >>>> they would like to honor with their votes because of help they
> >>>> received, help they saw rendered to others, or just because
they
> >>>> made
> >>>> them laugh with their posts. In other words, voting for two
who
> >>>> make
> >>>> the board a better place to hang out.
> >>>>
> >>>> The two with the most votes are named posters of the month,
an
> >>>> honor
> >>>> bestowed by their peers. They also receive an extra month
added to
> >>>> their subscription end date (worth $50) by the owner of the
> >>>> service.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course the financial honorarium is not large compared to
the
> >>>> work
> >>>> put into posting, but it is the recognition by both their
peers and
> >>>> the company that is well received. Others who received votes
are
> >>>> also
> >>>> mentioned by name in the announcement of the winners.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know on this list people are appreciative of help they
receive
> >>>> and
> >>>> offer their thanks. Perhaps something like this could
encourage
> >>>> just
> >>>> a bit more participation by voters and votees. Worth
considering
> >>>> IMHO.
> >>>>
> >>>> BR,
> >>>> Dennis
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 4:19 AM, reinsley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A missing point in the ABous World is the help as MicroSoft
did
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> the MVP. It's one of the most powerful thing to spread a
software
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> the knowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The AB product is so complex to send a simple order for real
> >>>>> through a
> >>>>> basic reversal trading system that nobody as time to help the
> >>>>> beginners. Master users have not interest to do so. Only
complex
> >>>>> problems are relevant and worst posting, between high level
> >>>>> brains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TJ should offer title and financial advantages for the most
active
> >>>>> helpers. He will save time and gain money.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Such user's help forum give many solutions to get round
unsolved
> >>>>> issues for both advanced users and beginners as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No doubt that the AB sofware will move toward a user friendly
> >>>>> interface in ten years without loosing it's versatility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Friends,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In fact I
use
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>> a fraction of its total capability for my trading style. I
trade
> >>>>>> only
> >>>>>> single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading
systems
> >>>>>> just
> >>>>>> in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the
> >>>>>> traditional
> >>>>>> chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions
as a
> >>>>>> very
> >>>>>> basic operating mode would be at least as good as other
charting
> >>>>>> programs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, even though the fundamental operations are there
(and I
> >>>>>> think
> >>>>>> potentially better), the interface (either design or
> >>>>>> implementation
> >>>>>> bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use
this
> >>>>>> product
> >>>>>> for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading. In
> >>>>>> fact, I
> >>>>>> need a second chart from my broker's application open to the
same
> >>>>>> ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even
though AB
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>> be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This has
been
> >>>>>> going
> >>>>>> on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB
in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say
to me
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> they figure out that these basic features don't work
properly. I
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a
while
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> hoping these things would be fixed first.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the
same
> >>>>>> bugs,
> >>>>>> but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz
knows
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some
higher
> >>>>>> priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are
others on
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the
ones
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple
> >>>>>> operation
> >>>>>> that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates
frustration
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes
the
> >>>>>> line
> >>>>>> drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the
> >>>>>> trigger
> >>>>>> point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel are
> >>>>>> costing
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add
them
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> the conversation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> #726. Handles from a selected study line are not
respected.
> >>>>>> Often
> >>>>>> several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot
points.
> >>>>>> Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a
common
> >>>>>> pivot
> >>>>>> point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become
more
> >>>>>> important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time.
It is
> >>>>>> easy
> >>>>>> to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it
is
> >>>>>> unique,
> >>>>>> and the handles will appear along the line. However, unlike
any
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on
the
> >>>>>> visible handle will not usually work properly if any other
study
> >>>>>> crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that AB
will
> >>>>>> grab
> >>>>>> the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will
un-
> >>>>>> select
> >>>>>> the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it
> >>>>>> instead.
> >>>>>> After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to
grab
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from
its
> >>>>>> current location and reposition all its handles. Very
> >>>>>> frustrating
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> takes the time and concentration away from the trading
action.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal. The
> >>>>>> horizontal
> >>>>>> lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet
mode
> >>>>>> on.
> >>>>>> They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if you
> >>>>>> click on
> >>>>>> the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar
on the
> >>>>>> left
> >>>>>> side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and causes
> >>>>>> errors
> >>>>>> in placement of the price level after the fact. Completely
> >>>>>> unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you
have
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between
two
> >>>>>> peaks.
> >>>>>> Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the
right
> >>>>>> hand
> >>>>>> handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have
advanced
> >>>>>> to a
> >>>>>> new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new
peak
> >>>>>> (this
> >>>>>> is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that handle
that
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on
the
> >>>>>> peak
> >>>>>> you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the trend
line
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you
end up
> >>>>>> placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the
wrong
> >>>>>> place
> >>>>>> now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a
study,
> >>>>>> there
> >>>>>> is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have
dragged the
> >>>>>> handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the study
gets
> >>>>>> moved
> >>>>>> to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow.
This
> >>>>>> wastes
> >>>>>> valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out
which
> >>>>>> wrong
> >>>>>> bar
> >>>>>> to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want
it.
> >>>>>> This
> >>>>>> is an annoyance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw
trend
> >>>>>> lines
> >>>>>> on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5
minute
> >>>>>> view,
> >>>>>> the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars. And
heaven
> >>>>>> help
> >>>>>> me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap
to
> >>>>>> these
> >>>>>> wrong bars.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There you have my short list. Please speak up if these
issues
> >>>>>> affect
> >>>>>> you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Dennis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please note that this group is for discussion between users
only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly
to
> >>>>> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check
DEVLOG:
> >>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For other support material please check also:
> >>>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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