Tomasz,
WOW!!!
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
I could not wait, and shut down my trading to load the new version.
I tested out all these issues on my system and as you say, all are
fixed --even the ones that were hard to replicate.
Not only that, but you, also went beyond and added the magnet toggle
key feature. I did not think of that one, but in using it just now,
it greatly enhances the ease of drawing studies.
Simple studies in AB have gone from a frustration to a dream for me in
the last hour. Now I can draw studies quickly and accurately while
trading --and I don't need a second program to do it. I have no
reservations in recommending AB to my trader friends who rely on
studies now.
THANK YOU!
Dennis :-)))))))))
On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
> Hello,
>
> All problems you raised are now fixed in AmiBroker 5.13 BETA:
>
> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2008/06/27/amibroker-5130-beta-released/
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxcom>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>
>
>> Thank you all for the many responses that made this thread a good
>> exchange of ideas well beyond the original post. I especially want
>> to
>> thank Tomasz for his responses and for taking the time to carefully
>> consider the issues presented and for taking action on the items he
>> decided were important.
>>
>> The area of drawing tools enhancements seems to have sparked interest
>> in a number of people on this thread, and also from private messages
>> to me. Perhaps Tomasz will address enhancing this area as part of
>> the
>> AB roadmap for future releases based on suggestions made by users who
>> are familiar with useful drawing tools in other programs, or perhaps
>> through the plug-in or enhanced AFL routes suggested here. Whatever
>> the means, drawing studies are important for some types of trading
>> that AmiBroker is also suited to do. Especially to hybrid methods
>> that combine AFL and studies. Most traders have incredible high
>> speed
>> pattern recognition engines connected directly to their eyes. 8^)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2008, at 7:20 PM, tradinghumble wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis - I agree with all your points and support them. Although
AB
>>> has been advancing in the system development arena the basic
>>> charting
>>> and drawing is still behind tools like Metastock (which has not
>>> received an update in 10 years).... overall a good product but
would
>>> rate it 5 out 10
in charting/drawing.
>>>
>>> -- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com,
Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You make an interesting point. I belong to a trading board
(paid
>>>> subscription) with a number of very helpful posters. Every
month
>>>> everyone on the board is asked to email the names of the two
>>>> posters
>>>> they would like to honor with their votes because of help they
>>>> received, help they saw rendered to others, or just because
they
>>>> made
>>>> them laugh with their posts. In other words, voting for two
who
>>>> make
>>>> the board a better place to hang out.
>>>>
>>>> The two with the most votes are named posters of the month, an
>>>> honor
>>>> bestowed by their peers. They also receive an extra month
added to
>>>> their subscription end date (worth $50) by the owner of the
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the financial honorarium is not large compared to
the
>>>> work
>>>> put into posting, but it is the recognition by both their
peers and
>>>> the company that is well received. Others who received votes
are
>>>> also
>>>> mentioned by name in the announcement of the winners.
>>>>
>>>> I know on this list people are appreciative of help they
receive
>>>> and
>>>> offer their thanks. Perhaps something like this could
encourage
>>>> just
>>>> a bit more participation by voters and votees. Worth
considering
>>>> IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2008, at 4:19 AM, reinsley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A missing point in the ABous World is the help as
MicroSoft did
>>>>> with
>>>>> the MVP. It's one of the most powerful thing to spread a
software
>>>>> and
>>>>> the knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> The AB product is so complex to send a simple order for
real
>>>>> through a
>>>>> basic reversal trading system that nobody as time to help
the
>>>>> beginners. Master users have not interest to do so. Only
complex
>>>>> problems are relevant and worst posting, between high
level
>>>>> brains.
>>>>>
>>>>> TJ should offer title and financial advantages for the
most active
>>>>> helpers. He will save time and gain money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such user's help forum give many solutions to get round
unsolved
>>>>> issues for both advanced users and beginners as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt that the AB sofware will move toward a user
friendly
>>>>> interface in ten years without loosing it's versatility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxps.com,
Dennis Brown <see3d@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In
fact I use
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> a fraction of its total capability for my trading
style. I trade
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> single ticker (futures) real time and write whole
trading systems
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like
the
>>>>>> traditional
>>>>>> chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would expect that AB, which supports all these
functions as a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> basic operating mode would be at least as good as
other charting
>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, even though the fundamental operations are
there (and I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> potentially better), the interface (either design or
>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>> bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to
use this
>>>>>> product
>>>>>> for drawing even basic lines on the charts while
trading. In
>>>>>> fact, I
>>>>>> need a second chart from my broker's application open
to the same
>>>>>> ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even
though AB
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This
has been
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have other trading friends that I have recommended
try AB in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they
will say to me
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they figure out that these basic features don't work
properly. I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> actually refrained from recommending AB to them for
quite a while
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> hoping these things would be fixed first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by
the same
>>>>>> bugs,
>>>>>> but if you are, please join the conversation so that
Tomasz knows
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this is important to you also and perhaps we can get
some higher
>>>>>> priority on getting the study charting to work
properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there
are others on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out
the ones
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> cost profits by either making it very slow to do a
simple
>>>>>> operation
>>>>>> that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates
frustration
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> emotion which takes one out of the trading
"Zone", or makes the
>>>>>> line
>>>>>> drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to
miss the
>>>>>> trigger
>>>>>> point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel
are
>>>>>> costing
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than
please add them
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #726. Handles from a selected study line are not
respected.
>>>>>> Often
>>>>>> several lines are anchored or pass through the same
pivot points.
>>>>>> Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often
use a common
>>>>>> pivot
>>>>>> point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots
become more
>>>>>> important and the lines need to be adjusted in real
time. It is
>>>>>> easy
>>>>>> to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot
where it is
>>>>>> unique,
>>>>>> and the handles will appear along the line. However,
unlike any
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> charting program I have ever used, clicking and
dragging on the
>>>>>> visible handle will not usually work properly if any
other study
>>>>>> crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that
AB will
>>>>>> grab
>>>>>> the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it
will un-
>>>>>> select
>>>>>> the one you selected and select the oldest one and
drag it
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>> After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying
to grab
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right line, I end up having to move the whole line
away from its
>>>>>> current location and reposition all its handles. Very
>>>>>> frustrating
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> takes the time and concentration away from the trading
action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal.
The
>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>> lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the
magnet mode
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>> They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if
you
>>>>>> click on
>>>>>> the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the
bar on the
>>>>>> left
>>>>>> side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and
causes
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> in placement of the price level after the fact.
Completely
>>>>>> unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say
you have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line
between two
>>>>>> peaks.
>>>>>> Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only
the right
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>> handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices
have advanced
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to
the new peak
>>>>>> (this
>>>>>> is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that
handle that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no
longer on the
>>>>>> peak
>>>>>> you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the
trend line
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and
you end up
>>>>>> placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the
wrong
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a
study,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar
you have dragged the
>>>>>> handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the
study gets
>>>>>> moved
>>>>>> to a different bar than the one indicated by the
shadow. This
>>>>>> wastes
>>>>>> valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out
which
>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>> bar
>>>>>> to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you
want it.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is an annoyance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here is one more that I just found today. If I
draw trend
>>>>>> lines
>>>>>> on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a
5 minute
>>>>>> view,
>>>>>> the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars.
And heaven
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> me if I select the line in that view, because it will
snap to
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> wrong bars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There you have my short list. Please speak up if these
issues
>>>>>> affect
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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