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Tomasz,
Personally I can't thank you enough for your participation in this
thread.
I doubt that there is another CEO anywhere in the world that is doing
what you are doing here, in terms of group participation.
I have an interest in the psychology of groups and believe that at a
very advanced level superior outcomes can be achieved by super groups
(a form of self-adjusting organic group consciousness) - no one sets
an objective, or agenda, for super groups - they 'know' what the
objective and the agenda is intuitively.
At times, in this thread, the group maturity was very high (I don't
get to see this very often so thanks to all who joined in).
As a subjective analyst, your acknowledgement that programming was a
creative act, for you, and that you couldn't work creatively (as a
programmer) in a joint effort was for me a great answer and the
correct answer for you (it doesn't need to be correct for me since it
is not my answer).
I didn't need to go any further, in fact it would be counter
productive if I did (I know that you understand these things) and
there is plenty of others in the group who handle the technical
discussion far better than me anyway.
Being a solo artist doesn't exclude collaboration outside of
programming or programming collaboration within set guidelines (I
already understood those things) - or adopting other business models
to what you are currently using.
When I begged you to "hire another programmer" I was just
generalising my feelings that the demands of customers will continue
on and that IMO AB needed some more helpers to speed things up and
that I personally am prepared to pay more if that is what you decide
to do.
I wasn't particularly suggesting that you hire a programmer to write
core material or limiting 'hiring help' to putting programmers on
your staff.
Just hopeing you will find a way to let Fred see dual core (or
whatever it is he is talkig about) before he dies and also save
Dennis from his prolonged suffering, while at the same time not
killing yourself from overwork.
Re plugins - yes, it might be a nice idea (personally I wouldn't
know) but I was wondering where they all are.
Re Progsters posts:
I thought they were very high quality and there are some good
opinions in them.
Re creative programmers:
I am just wondering about Bill Gates.
In the first place, was he a genius programmer?
Were all of the ideas (programming, architecture, business) his?
I seem to have the idea that a lot of the brilliant computer nous
behind MS came from others but I don't know if that is true?
I am pretty certain he didn't write every piece of MSFT code himself.
Love them or hate them MSFT have gone a long way to meeting
my 'impossible to meet' computing needs and at a pretty reasonable
price (the MacDonalds of computing?).
All the best,
and thanks once again for sharing your private thoughts with me.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Yes I have read beyond that point, and I have read about plugins
for "drawing tools". Generally I would agree. But not without doubts.
> Unfortunatelly, while non-GUI stuff (like AFL, data plugins,
optimization plugins) can easily be interfaced via few functions,
> the GUI stuff is usually more tricky to "standarise". But generally
having plugins for everything is nice idea.
> On the other hand, despite the fact that AFL plugin interface
exists from 2001 (7 years now), a very few 3rd party plugins were
> written, even considering the fact that they are easiest to write.
so I am not so sure if 3rd party "drawing tools" would be developed
at all.
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Ho
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>
>
> Tomasz,
> You are pretty good to pounce on semantics. But i didnt say AB
was a one man band
> I said Tomasz, you are a one man band. And I'm pretty convinced
that I'm right by the way you replied to this post. Anyway, did you
read what I say beyond that? Plugins are implemented in AB but only
in AFL. I said other parts of AB will benefit greatly in that
approach, in particular the hand drawing capabililties. Just to use
the muic analogy a bit more because I play a bit myself. I think part
of AB industralisation is more than composing music, it is conducting
an orchastra to play the piece that you compose (AB) well.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tomasz Janeczko
> Sent: Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:16 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>
>
> Hello,
>
> For correctness sake: AB is NOT one man band.
> There is Marcin doing 99% of support tasks. Plus I do outsource
> bookkeeping and some other "side" tasks.
>
> What is one-man is AmiBroker core development.
> And it will stay that way for various reasons, with main reason
> being that adding 2 more developers for core development
> would SLOW DOWN the development and the quality
> would go down hill, no matter how good these developers are.
> These are facts of life. I was working in various developer
teams
> in the past starting from 3 people ending at 40 developers
> and adding developers only adds problems. The only
> way to work in a team in efficient way is to have *separate*
programs
> to develop (they can communicate between each other).
> Sligthly less efficient (but still OK) is to have plugin
approach
> with well defined interface. The plugin approach is already
implemented in AB.
>
> Programming is NOT equivalent to homebuilding.
> Programming is rather like composing music. At least for me.
> Did you see lots of music written by more than one composer?
> (even if many people appear on the "credits", usually the core
idea is the work
> of one man).
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:56 AM
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
> >
> >> I also assumed that many of those who wanted/relied
> >> on AB's drawing capabilities might also have deserted us
already.
> >
> > Dennis, Joseph, Murthyuresh and Bill are still here.
> > They strike me as being people with a good knowledge of AB
and also
> > not the types to make frivilous complaints.
> >
> >> Believe me, the law
> >> of diminishing return applies far more rigourously in human
than
> >> CPUs.
> >
> >
> > I have to agree that this is a factor but born business
people thrive
> > on that challenge.
> >
> > Small business challenges are the same all around the
developed world.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > Friends of my wife - husband and wife 6 figure+ PA turnover
every
> > year - earthmoving and construction.
> >
> > He was on mobile and got calls all day, every day and night
of the
> > week.
> > He was a one man 'operating' band - she 'did the books' and
was the
> > hidden business brains.
> >
> > I told him "if you are available 24/7 they will call you
24/7, if you
> > are available 9 to 5 they will call you 9 to 5 and you will
still do
> > exactly the same amount of business".
> >
> > Also - the decision to change from a 'one man band' operation
to
> > a 'business model' is very hard for anyone and excruciating
for some.
> >
> > I told him "you have to learn to trust people and delegate
and then
> > you can get some fishing time".
> >
> > Today his mobile is private and only for family use.
> > He has a business (sort of) manager and an office (sort of)
manager.
> >
> > I told him "Now you have to give your 'manager' his own
project to
> > run from start to finish and give him a % of the profit.
> > If he is successful then give him the next project as well
and take
> > your first holiday in 10 years" (his wife always listens
quietly).
> >
> > Then I said "It doesn't matter what you do the staff will
never do it
> > exactly as you will do it yourself and they will never be
quite as
> > good at it as you are".
> >
> > He turned to me and said "Yes, but they are good enough".
> >
> > His business has doubled in the last 3 years.
> >
> > His wife is a very good student.
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Ho" <paultsho@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Being a patron of AB for more than 4 years. I would say that
AB is
> >> very much an AFL centric product. The changes in the AFL
engine and
> >> its capabilities has been nothing short of phenomenal. In
contrast,
> >> the hand drawing features of AB has hardly changed in the
last 4
> >> years, and probably not much has changed for much longer
than that.
> >> Although not publicly stated, I presumed that it is the
direction
> >> that Tomasz wants to go, and this specialization has been
very
> >> successful. I can also assumed that many of those who
wanted/relied
> >> on AB's drawing capabilities might also have deserted us
already. I
> >> have known some of the problems Dennis has mentioned long
time ago,
> >> but somehow I have never bothered even to mentioned them,
probably
> >> because I developed myself more on AFL as a trading and
charting
> >> tool, and hardly use the drawing tools these day.
> >>
> >> Tomasz is a one man band. So I can apprecriate and am very
happy
> > with
> >> the product direction he has taken. I dont think Brian's
suggestion
> >> of hiring a few more programmers is the answer. Believe me,
the law
> >> of diminishing return applies far more rigourously in human
than
> >> CPUs. What I would like to see is that Tomasz opens up the
hand
> >> drawing capability to third party contribution throuh the
use of
> >> plugins, much like the AFL and data plugins. Once done, I'm
sure
> > that
> >> people will roll their own drawing tools. Of course,
existing bugs
> >> will still need to be fixed.
> >>
> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > And no, I can not hire 2 more programmers because then I
would
> >> need
> >> > >to rise the cost of the program 3 times
> >> > > and then everyone would scream that it is too expensive
and
> > will
> >> > >walk away. Then it would mean the end of product.
> >> >
> >> > Since Dennis's intent is to invite constructive comment
and since
> >> the
> >> > forum does act as an informal customer feedback center:
> >> >
> >> > the content of your reply relates to a lot of personal and
> > business
> >> > decisions - not sure if you are inviting comment on those
matters?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As a customer:
> >> >
> >> > I am not certain that I am a price buyer (once again this
relates
> >> to
> >> > business theory and application), probably not.
> >> >
> >> > The price is nice but is it the reason I buy AB?
> >> >
> >> > In the first place I made a choice to make trading my home
based
> >> > business (I could have chosen something else), so that
makes me a
> >> > business customer I guess (albeit a small-time one).
> >> >
> >> > You can't trade professionally with anything less than
approx
> > $100K.
> >> > If I invested that amount with an Aussie fund I would pay
around
> > 2%
> >> > expenses, so 2K PA is a reasonable operating cost.
> >> >
> >> > When I first started my costs were high (books, training
courses
> >> etc)
> >> > but now I can operate around those figures (I do my own
tax and
> >> only
> >> > need software/data/computer/internet - but I would have
> >> > computer/internet anyway - I don't need specialist
computers for
> >> > trading).
> >> >
> >> > Of course that is only if we don't consider brokerage as a
> > business
> >> > cost - if I daytrade 100k what is my annual brokerage
bill? -
> >> > mentally I lump this in with gross edge - commissions ==
net edge
> >> but
> >> > in business terms it is on the books as operating costs.
> >> > Software/data costs are a tiny fraction of annual
commissions.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone who has operated a business, in one of the major
economies
> >> of
> >> > the world, will know that trading costs are laughable
compared to
> >> the
> >> > costs of running other businesses - most businesses in
Australia
> >> run
> >> > on very low net returns compared to the capital invested
in the
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Also when I bought AB I was not a naive trader.
> >> > I knew what I was doing and had owned two other software
packages
> >> > prior to AB.
> >> >
> >> > On that basis I would say I am a specialist customer
(perhaps
> > that
> >> is
> >> > AB's niche in the market).
> >> >
> >> > Specialists want the software to do the things they want
it to do
> >> > (pretty hard since we all want different things).
> >> >
> >> > Adding all of that up I vote for:
> >> >
> >> > please hire another programmer, give people more of what
they
> > want
> >> > (give the optimizers their dual core stuff, give the
chartists
> >> their
> >> > snap and draw or whatever, give the Aussies their
YahooFdata etc,
> >> > etc) and put the price up - maybe even add some features
> >> > to the UKB :-)
> >> >
> >> > Metastock is the point of comparison for AB - it is approx
$500
> > PA
> >> > for EOD and from $1000 for Pro - so AB can stand that
price (of
> >> > course they have 'lease' MS for a monthly fee which allows
us to
> >> > pretend we are not paying $1000 a year and so that makes
it feel
> >> > nicer).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Re price buying:
> >> >
> >> > If I buy a cheap car I get less features.
> >> > If I pay more I get more features and better appointments.
> >> > If I buy the cheap car I still expect the (lesser)
features to
> > work.
> >> > If they don't I won't buy it again at any price.
> >> >
> >> > (if an existing feature doesn't work this has a far more
negative
> >> > effect on customers than not having the feature they want
in the
> >> > first place? - psychologists claim that one negative
experience
> > far
> >> > outweigns many positive experiences - also it is human
nature to
> >> buy
> >> > the cheaper model and then complain because it doesn't
have the
> >> > features they didn't pay for - that will never change).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Re: walking away
> >> >
> >> > When it comes time for you to buy a new car what do you do
Tomasz?
> >> >
> >> > Are you going to stick to a brand, out of loyalty, if a
competing
> >> > model has better reliability, features and appointments at
the
> > same
> >> > price?
> >> >
> >> > How about availability, delivery and service?
> >> >
> >> > What motivates you to buy a product and then rebuy it over
and
> > over?
> >> >
> >> > Also you will find your needs change with time - as the
kids grow
> >> the
> >> > house and the cars get bigger and after they go you and
your wife
> >> can
> >> > have an office each (they used to be the kids rooms).
> >> >
> >> > So, perhaps people will walk away if their needs change
and/or AB
> >> is
> >> > no loner meeting their needs.
> >> >
> >> > - better ask your wife, about the car, before you buy
though -
> > it
> >> > always pays to get a second opinion ;-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Re: what do customers want?
> >> >
> >> > We want it all - don't you?
> >> >
> >> > That will never change either.
> >> >
> >> > The more that companies meet those 'impossible' needs the
more
> >> > customers they get.
> >> >
> >> > For example - who goes to Starbucks to pick up a coffee,
then
> > goes
> >> to
> >> > Wendys to pick up a donut and takes them to the burger
shop to
> > put
> >> > them together for a nice breakfast if they can get a nice
burger,
> >> > coffee and donut at Maccas (plus a free paper to read as
well)?
> >> >
> >> > - better get a second opinion from the kids on that one
too ;-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hope my perspective offered some helpful feedback.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > brian_z
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko"
<groups@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > >
> >> > > You people don't seem to realise that I am THE ONLY
PERSON who
> >> > works on AmiBroker code.
> >> > > The day has only 24 hours and one person has only two
hands.
> >> > > Now if even few people ouf of 8000 users submit "ideas"
> > everyday,
> >> > no matter what I do I can not implement
> >> > > them IMMEDIATELLY.
> >> > >
> >> > > And no, I can not hire 2 more programmers because then I
would
> >> need
> >> > to rise the cost of the program 3 times
> >> > > and then everyone would scream that it is too expensive
and
> > will
> >> > walk away. Then it would mean the end of product.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, considering that I am the ONLY DEVELOPER of
AmiBroker and
> >> wrote
> >> > everything from scratch with my own hands, I can say that:
> >> > > a) I am doing more than anyone in this business to make
> > customers
> >> > happy
> >> > > b) I am implementing MORE features/user requests/ideas
than
> >> anyone
> >> > else in this business
> >> > > c) I am going an extra mile with responding PERSONALLY
on the
> >> > public mailing list to many of your posts.
> >> > >
> >> > > I can not do MORE than I am doing now. It is physically
> >> impossible
> >> > for anyone.
> >> > >
> >> > > So, if I tell you that I am going to check things, I
will do
> >> that,
> >> > but this is all subject to TIME and PHYSICAL ABILITY
constraints.
> >> > >
> >> > > Pushing the string does not help at all. It makes things
worse.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > Tomasz Janeczko
> >> > > amibroker.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: wavemechanic
> >> > > To: AmiBroker, User
> >> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:47 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say
bugs...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dennis:
> >> > >
> >> > > I completely agree with your overall assessment and know
that
> >> at
> >> > least several users also completely or partially agree but
may or
> >> may
> >> > not respond - so you are not alone. Much has been said
through
> > the
> >> > years on the Yahoo board/AB website/support mail about
> >> > bugs, "clunkiness", and desired/necessary features.
Because of
> > the
> >> > type of problems that you mentioned (I am also indicator
mode
> >> > oriented), I use the EOD version of AB and then only
at "half
> >> > throttle" because my applications and programming needs
are not
> > as
> >> > extensive as that of a number of other AB users. Like you,
I use
> >> > broker supplied and personal software for RT streaming and
> > charting
> >> > studies (no "shoe" fits all). These issues, however, are
not
> >> > restricted to AB as evidenced by a recent review on
another board
> >> > where the user compared AB/Metastock/Tradestation/Blocks
and
> > ended
> >> up
> >> > (as I understand) with a Blocks package that includes
> >> > charting/streaming data/EOD data/backtesting/useful
standard
> >> > features - so things are evolving.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: Dennis Brown
> >> > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:12 AM
> >> > > Subject: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Friends,
> >> > >
> >> > > AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In
fact
> > I
> >> > use only
> >> > > a fraction of its total capability for my trading style.
I
> >> > trade only
> >> > > single ticker (futures) real time and write whole
trading
> >> > systems just
> >> > > in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the
> >> > traditional
> >> > > chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
> >> > >
> >> > > I would expect that AB, which supports all these
functions
> > as
> >> a
> >> > very
> >> > > basic operating mode would be at least as good as other
> >> > charting
> >> > > programs.
> >> > >
> >> > > However, even though the fundamental operations are
there
> >> (and
> >> > I think
> >> > > potentially better), the interface (either design or
> >> > implementation
> >> > > bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to
use
> >> this
> >> > product
> >> > > for drawing even basic lines on the charts while
trading.
> > In
> >> > fact, I
> >> > > need a second chart from my broker's application open to
> > the
> >> > same
> >> > > ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even
> > though
> >> > AB would
> >> > > be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This
has
> >> been
> >> > going
> >> > > on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
> >> > >
> >> > > I have other trading friends that I have recommended try
AB
> >> in
> >> > the
> >> > > last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will
say
> >> to
> >> > me when
> >> > > they figure out that these basic features don't work
> >> properly.
> >> > I have
> >> > > actually refrained from recommending AB to them for
quite a
> >> > while --
> >> > > hoping these things would be fixed first.
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by
the
> >> same
> >> > bugs,
> >> > > but if you are, please join the conversation so that
Tomasz
> >> > knows that
> >> > > this is important to you also and perhaps we can get
some
> >> > higher
> >> > > priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are
> >> others
> >> > on the
> >> > > suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out
the
> >> ones
> >> > that
> >> > > cost profits by either making it very slow to do a
simple
> >> > operation
> >> > > that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates
> >> > frustration and
> >> > > emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or
makes
> >> the
> >> > line
> >> > > drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss
> > the
> >> > trigger
> >> > > point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel
are
> >> > costing you
> >> > > profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please
> > add
> >> > them to
> >> > > the conversation.
> >> > >
> >> > > #726. Handles from a selected study line are not
> > respected.
> >> > Often
> >> > > several lines are anchored or pass through the same
pivot
> >> > points.
> >> > > Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use
a
> >> > common pivot
> >> > > point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become
> >> more
> >> > > important and the lines need to be adjusted in real
time.
> > It
> >> > is easy
> >> > > to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where
it
> >> is
> >> > unique,
> >> > > and the handles will appear along the line. However,
> > unlike
> >> > any other
> >> > > charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging
on
> >> > the
> >> > > visible handle will not usually work properly if any
other
> >> > study
> >> > > crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that
AB
> >> will
> >> > grab
> >> > > the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it
will
> >> un-
> >> > select
> >> > > the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag
it
> >> > instead.
> >> > > After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying
to
> >> grab
> >> > the
> >> > > right line, I end up having to move the whole line away
> > from
> >> > its
> >> > > current location and reposition all its handles. Very
> >> > frustrating and
> >> > > takes the time and concentration away from the trading
> > action.
> >> > >
> >> > > #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal.
The
> >> > horizontal
> >> > > lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the
magnet
> >> mode
> >> > on.
> >> > > They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if
you
> >> > click on
> >> > > the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the
bar
> > on
> >> > the left
> >> > > side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and
> > causes
> >> > errors
> >> > > in placement of the price level after the fact.
> > Completely
> >> > > unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >> > >
> >> > > #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you
> >> have
> >> > the
> >> > > magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line
between
> >> two
> >> > peaks.
> >> > > Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the
> > right
> >> > hand
> >> > > handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have
> >> > advanced to a
> >> > > new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the
new
> >> > peak (this
> >> > > is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that
> > handle
> >> > that is
> >> > > off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer
on
> >> the
> >> > peak
> >> > > you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the
> > trend
> >> > line to
> >> > > the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and
you
> > end
> >> > up
> >> > > placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the
> > wrong
> >> > place
> >> > > now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >> > >
> >> > > #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a
> >> study,
> >> > there
> >> > > is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have
> > dragged
> >> > the
> >> > > handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the
study
> >> > gets moved
> >> > > to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow.
> >> This
> >> > wastes
> >> > > valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out
> > which
> >> > wrong bar
> >> > > to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you
want
> >> it.
> >> > This
> >> > > is an annoyance.
> >> > >
> >> > > And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw
> >> trend
> >> > lines
> >> > > on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5
> >> minute
> >> > view,
> >> > > the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars.
And
> >> > heaven help
> >> > > me if I select the line in that view, because it will
snap
> > to
> >> > these
> >> > > wrong bars.
> >> > >
> >> > > There you have my short list. Please speak up if these
> >> issues
> >> > affect
> >> > > you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > > Dennis
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ------------------------------------
> >> > >
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> >> > only.
> >> > >
> >> > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail
> > directly
> >> to
> >> > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
> >> > >
> >> > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always
check
> >> > DEVLOG:
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> >> > >
> >> > > For other support material please check also:
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
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> > --
> >> --
> >> > --------
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 -
Release
> >> Date:
> >> > 6/19/2008 3:21 PM
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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