|
PureBytes Links
Trading Reference Links
|
tipequity,
Thank you for letting us know that this thread is irrelevant to you.
Since I do not use AA at all, fixes to its bugs (if it has any) and
any new features would not have any relevance to my AFL work or effect
my trading. I dare say few customers use all of AB features.
However, I do not begrudge other AB customers having their needs
filled. There are many customers and many needs.
This is not a thread about adding new features though, it is about
making the features that are already offered work properly (from at
least my point of view), and why they are not just cosmetic fixes for
those who use them for trading.
As for your suggestion about voting for bug fixes -- that is not an
issue in my mind, if it is a bug it should be fixed (within a
reasonable time frame). If it is not going to be fixed, then it
should be documented as a feature, but not ignored.
As far as voting on enhancement requests, I try to do that, but there
is no "Vote for this" feature that I have seen. Instead I have to
make a comment. Hard to tally comments into a priority rank of yes
votes without reading them all. I read every new request and add a
comment if I can think of something worthwhile to add to the request
or support it. However, very few will go to that trouble and just use
it as a suggestion drop box. Are you doing your part in this regard?
I have been part of forums that give each member 100 votes to spend as
they see fit. You can use any number of your votes on any bug or
suggestion that you want to support. You can also reclaim your votes
at any time you want to redistribute your votes, and when a thing has
been done you get your votes back. Sorting by votes let you know what
things people feel strongly about. This is something that can be
suggested when suggestions are re-enabled.
I have seen how things work after a couple of years here, and like it
or not, "voting" happens on this list via discussions. There are pros
and cons to this. It is virtually the only way to get immediate
feedback from other users and sometimes from TJ about if a suggestion
has merit or if there is another way to do the same thing. I have had
both the experience of an idea developing into a better idea through
this list, and also having an idea trashed because I did not
understand the problem properly and came away with a solution that
works. The negative side of all this is that there are many on the
list who don't have a clue and are just trying to learn the basics.
However, those who know the answers also hang out on this list and
they are the ones that these kind of posts are addressed to.
New features are rarely added just like the "drop box" suggestions in
any case, but mostly serve to influence capabilities to major
functionality additions or changes when Tomasz works in that area
next. Tomasz has his own ideas about how to add new features, and he
does a pretty good job at making improvements that are more than the
sum of the suggestions. I am sure that he occasionally solicits some
of his advanced users for their opinions.
Good trading to you,
Dennis
On Jun 20, 2008, at 1:53 PM, tipequity wrote:
> If people use feedback center and vote for fixes and suggestions then
> I think Tomasz would have a good idea on how to prioritize his time.
> From my perspective I hope he does not spend a second on the stuff
> that you are complaining about. They have no relevance to my work. I
> much prefer to see enhancements to AA.
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Tomasz,
>>
>> I am very aware of the limitations of one person --I have that
> problem
>> myself --just ask my wife.
>> I waited a long time and considered carefully before posting the
>> original post here.
>> I was trying to be careful to mention only those things that are a
>> real problem that are affecting my ability to earn a living
> trading
>> with AB.
>>
>> There are many things that I would like to see added to AFL, and
> there
>> are some bugs that are rare and difficult to reproduce or things
> that
>> I can work around, but the things mentioned here are those that
> affect
>> everyone to some degree and are also an embarrassment to me
> personally
>> when I recommend AB to others who rely on studies.
>>
>> I am satisfied when you say that you will look into the matter now
>> that I have stated my case for the need.
>> I invited others to comment so that we would know if my needs are
>> unique and therefore of lower priority for you, and in case I
> missed
>> an important point. I know when you look into an area, you like
> to
>> take care of several things at once if possible.
>>
>> Everyone appreciates ALL you do for your users.
>>
>> Sometimes you need to have well organized feedback (and not just
>> random pot shots all mixed together) to make sense of the
> synergistic
>> affects of many related subjects so you can gage how to pick which
>> things will have the most beneficial effects for your customer
> friends.
>>
>> Just relax and let this thread play out so that all the issues in
> this
>> particular one can be understood. Then you can decide what should
> be
>> done and what priority to give it. I am doing this in a helpful
> frame
>> of mind, but with a real feeling of need on my part.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> You people don't seem to realise that I am THE ONLY PERSON who
> works
>>> on AmiBroker code.
>>> The day has only 24 hours and one person has only two hands.
>>> Now if even few people ouf of 8000 users submit "ideas" everyday,
> no
>>> matter what I do I can not implement
>>> them IMMEDIATELLY.
>>>
>>> And no, I can not hire 2 more programmers because then I would
> need
>>> to rise the cost of the program 3 times
>>> and then everyone would scream that it is too expensive and will
>>> walk away. Then it would mean the end of product.
>>>
>>> So, considering that I am the ONLY DEVELOPER of AmiBroker and
> wrote
>>> everything from scratch with my own hands, I can say that:
>>> a) I am doing more than anyone in this business to make
> customers
>>> happy
>>> b) I am implementing MORE features/user requests/ideas than
> anyone
>>> else in this business
>>> c) I am going an extra mile with responding PERSONALLY on the
> public
>>> mailing list to many of your posts.
>>>
>>> I can not do MORE than I am doing now. It is physically
> impossible
>>> for anyone.
>>>
>>> So, if I tell you that I am going to check things, I will do
> that,
>>> but this is all subject to TIME and PHYSICAL ABILITY constraints.
>>>
>>> Pushing the string does not help at all. It makes things worse.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>> amibroker.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: wavemechanic
>>> To: AmiBroker, User
>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>>>
>>> Dennis:
>>>
>>> I completely agree with your overall assessment and know that at
>>> least several users also completely or partially agree but may
> or
>>> may not respond - so you are not alone. Much has been said
> through
>>> the years on the Yahoo board/AB website/support mail about bugs,
>>> "clunkiness", and desired/necessary features. Because of the
> type
>>> of problems that you mentioned (I am also indicator mode
> oriented),
>>> I use the EOD version of AB and then only at "half throttle"
> because
>>> my applications and programming needs are not as extensive as
> that
>>> of a number of other AB users. Like you, I use broker supplied
> and
>>> personal software for RT streaming and charting studies
> (no "shoe"
>>> fits all). These issues, however, are not restricted to AB as
>>> evidenced by a recent review on another board where the user
>>> compared AB/Metastock/Tradestation/Blocks and ended up (as I
>>> understand) with a Blocks package that includes
> charting/streaming
>>> data/EOD data/backtesting/useful standard features - so things
> are
>>> evolving.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dennis Brown
>>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:12 AM
>>> Subject: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In fact I use
> only
>>> a fraction of its total capability for my trading style. I trade
> only
>>> single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading systems
> just
>>> in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the
> traditional
>>> chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
>>>
>>> I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions as a
> very
>>> basic operating mode would be at least as good as other charting
>>> programs.
>>>
>>> However, even though the fundamental operations are there (and I
> think
>>> potentially better), the interface (either design or
> implementation
>>> bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use this
> product
>>> for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading. In
> fact, I
>>> need a second chart from my broker's application open to the same
>>> ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even though AB
> would
>>> be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This has been
> going
>>> on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
>>>
>>> I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB in the
>>> last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say to me
> when
>>> they figure out that these basic features don't work properly. I
> have
>>> actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a
> while --
>>> hoping these things would be fixed first.
>>>
>>> I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the same
> bugs,
>>> but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz knows
> that
>>> this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some higher
>>> priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
>>>
>>> Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are others on
> the
>>> suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the ones
> that
>>> cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple
> operation
>>> that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates frustration
> and
>>> emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes the
> line
>>> drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the
> trigger
>>> point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel are
> costing you
>>> profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add them
> to
>>> the conversation.
>>>
>>> #726. Handles from a selected study line are not respected.
> Often
>>> several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot points.
>>> Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a common
> pivot
>>> point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become more
>>> important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time. It is
> easy
>>> to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it is
> unique,
>>> and the handles will appear along the line. However, unlike any
> other
>>> charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on the
>>> visible handle will not usually work properly if any other study
>>> crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that AB will
> grab
>>> the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will un-
> select
>>> the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it
> instead.
>>> After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to grab the
>>> right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from its
>>> current location and reposition all its handles. Very
> frustrating and
>>> takes the time and concentration away from the trading action.
>>>
>>> #728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal. The
> horizontal
>>> lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet mode on.
>>> They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if you click
> on
>>> the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar on the
> left
>>> side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and causes
> errors
>>> in placement of the price level after the fact. Completely
>>> unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>
>>> #890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you have
> the
>>> magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between two
> peaks.
>>> Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the right hand
>>> handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have advanced
> to a
>>> new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new peak
> (this
>>> is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that handle that
> is
>>> off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on the
> peak
>>> you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the trend line
> to
>>> the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you end up
>>> placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the wrong place
>>> now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
>>>
>>> #990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a study,
> there
>>> is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have dragged the
>>> handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the study gets
> moved
>>> to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow. This
> wastes
>>> valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out which
> wrong bar
>>> to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want it.
> This
>>> is an annoyance.
>>>
>>> And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw trend
> lines
>>> on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5 minute
> view,
>>> the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars. And heaven
> help
>>> me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap to
> these
>>> wrong bars.
>>>
>>> There you have my short list. Please speak up if these issues
> affect
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>>>
>>> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
>>> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>>>
>>> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
>>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>>>
>>> For other support material please check also:
>>> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG.
>>> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date:
>>> 6/19/2008 3:21 PM
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
>
> To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
> SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
>
> For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
>
> For other support material please check also:
> http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
------------------------------------
Please note that this group is for discussion between users only.
To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to
SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com
For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG:
http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/
For other support material please check also:
http://www.amibroker.com/support.html
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/
<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/join
(Yahoo! ID required)
<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:amibroker-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
mailto:amibroker-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
amibroker-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
|