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If people use feedback center and vote for fixes and suggestions then 
I think Tomasz would have a good idea on how to prioritize his time. 
>From my perspective I hope he does not spend a second on the stuff 
that you are complaining about. They have no relevance to my work. I 
much prefer to see enhancements to AA.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>
> Tomasz,
> 
> I am very aware of the limitations of one person --I have that 
problem  
> myself --just ask my wife.
> I waited a long time and considered carefully before posting the  
> original post here.
> I was trying to be careful to mention only those things that are a  
> real problem that are affecting my ability to earn a living 
trading  
> with AB.
> 
> There are many things that I would like to see added to AFL, and 
there  
> are some bugs that are rare and difficult to reproduce or things 
that  
> I can work around, but the things mentioned here are those that 
affect  
> everyone to some degree and are also an embarrassment to me 
personally  
> when I recommend AB to others who rely on studies.
> 
> I am satisfied when you say that you will look into the matter now  
> that I have stated my case for the need.
> I invited others to comment so that we would know if my needs are  
> unique and therefore of lower priority for you, and in case I 
missed  
> an important point.  I know when you look into an area, you like 
to  
> take care of several things at once if possible.
> 
> Everyone appreciates ALL you do for your users.
> 
> Sometimes you need to have well organized feedback (and not just  
> random pot shots all mixed together) to make sense of the 
synergistic  
> affects of many related subjects so you can gage how to pick which  
> things will have the most beneficial effects for your customer 
friends.
> 
> Just relax and let this thread play out so that all the issues in 
this  
> particular one can be understood.  Then you can decide what should 
be  
> done and what priority to give it.  I am doing this in a helpful 
frame  
> of mind, but with a real feeling of need on my part.
> 
> Best regards,
> Dennis
> 
> 
> On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > You people don't seem to realise that I am THE ONLY PERSON who 
works  
> > on AmiBroker code.
> > The day has only 24 hours and one person has only two hands.
> > Now if even few people ouf of 8000 users submit "ideas" everyday, 
no  
> > matter what I do I can not implement
> > them IMMEDIATELLY.
> >
> > And no, I can not hire 2 more programmers because then I would 
need  
> > to rise the cost of the program 3 times
> > and then everyone would scream that it is too expensive and will  
> > walk away. Then it would mean the end of product.
> >
> > So, considering that I am the ONLY DEVELOPER of AmiBroker and 
wrote  
> > everything from scratch with my own hands, I can say that:
> > a) I am doing more than anyone in this business to make 
customers  
> > happy
> > b) I am implementing MORE features/user requests/ideas than 
anyone  
> > else in this business
> > c) I am going an extra mile with responding PERSONALLY on the 
public  
> > mailing list to many of your posts.
> >
> > I can not do MORE than I am doing now. It is physically 
impossible  
> > for anyone.
> >
> > So, if I tell you that I am going to check things, I will do 
that,  
> > but this is all subject to TIME and PHYSICAL ABILITY constraints.
> >
> > Pushing the string does not help at all. It makes things worse.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wavemechanic
> > To: AmiBroker, User
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
> >
> > Dennis:
> >
> > I completely agree with your overall assessment and know that at  
> > least several users also completely or partially agree but may 
or  
> > may not respond - so you are not alone.  Much has been said 
through  
> > the years on the Yahoo board/AB website/support mail about bugs,  
> > "clunkiness", and desired/necessary features.  Because of the 
type  
> > of problems that you mentioned (I am also indicator mode 
oriented),  
> > I use the EOD version of AB and then only at "half throttle" 
because  
> > my applications and programming needs are not as extensive as 
that  
> > of a number of other AB users.  Like you, I use broker supplied 
and  
> > personal software for RT streaming and charting studies 
(no "shoe"  
> > fits all).  These issues, however, are not restricted to AB as  
> > evidenced by a recent review on another board where the user  
> > compared AB/Metastock/Tradestation/Blocks and ended up (as I  
> > understand) with a Blocks package that includes 
charting/streaming  
> > data/EOD data/backtesting/useful standard features - so things 
are  
> > evolving.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dennis Brown
> > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:12 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
> >
> > Friends,
> >
> > AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things.  In fact I use 
only
> > a fraction of its total capability for my trading style.  I trade 
only
> > single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading systems 
just
> > in AFL in indicator mode.  This is actually more like the 
traditional
> > chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
> >
> > I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions as a 
very
> > basic operating mode would be at least as good as other charting
> > programs.
> >
> > However, even though the fundamental operations are there (and I 
think
> > potentially better), the interface (either design or 
implementation
> > bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use this 
product
> > for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading.  In 
fact, I
> > need a second chart from my broker's application open to the same
> > ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even though AB 
would
> > be superior at this if it were not for the bugs.  This has been 
going
> > on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
> >
> > I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB in the
> > last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say to me 
when
> > they figure out that these basic features don't work properly.  I 
have
> > actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a 
while --
> > hoping these things would be fixed first.
> >
> > I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the same 
bugs,
> > but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz knows 
that
> > this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some higher
> > priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
> >
> > Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are others on 
the
> > suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the ones 
that
> > cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple 
operation
> > that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates frustration 
and
> > emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes the 
line
> > drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the 
trigger
> > point for a trade.  If I have missed any that you feel are 
costing you
> > profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add them 
to
> > the conversation.
> >
> > #726.  Handles from a selected study line are not respected.  
Often
> > several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot points.
> > Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a common 
pivot
> > point.  However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become more
> > important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time.  It is 
easy
> > to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it is 
unique,
> > and the handles will appear along the line.  However, unlike any 
other
> > charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on the
> > visible handle will not usually work properly if any other study
> > crosses very close to that handle.  The problem is that AB will 
grab
> > the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will un-
select
> > the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it 
instead.
> > After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to grab the
> > right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from its
> > current location and reposition all its handles.  Very 
frustrating and
> > takes the time and concentration away from the trading action.
> >
> > #728.  Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal.  The 
horizontal
> > lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet mode on.
> > They just are placed at the cursor level.  However, if you click 
on
> > the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar on the 
left
> > side of the screen.  Its operation is just bizarre and causes 
errors
> > in placement of the price level after the fact.  Completely
> > unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >
> > #890.  Study handles change when off screen.  Lets say you have 
the
> > magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between two 
peaks.
> > Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the right hand
> > handle is visible on the chart.  Now say the prices have advanced 
to a
> > new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new peak 
(this
> > is a very common occurrence).  Most of the time, that handle that 
is
> > off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on the 
peak
> > you selected.  Of course that changes the slope of the trend line 
to
> > the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you end up
> > placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the wrong place
> > now.  Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
> >
> > #990.  Drag shadow is on the wrong bar.  When dragging a study, 
there
> > is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have dragged the
> > handles to.  However, when the mouse is released, the study gets 
moved
> > to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow.  This 
wastes
> > valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out which 
wrong bar
> > to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want it.  
This
> > is an annoyance.
> >
> > And here is one more that I just found today.  If I draw trend 
lines
> > on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5 minute 
view,
> > the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars.  And heaven 
help
> > me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap to 
these
> > wrong bars.
> >
> > There you have my short list.  Please speak up if these issues 
affect
> > you.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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