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Tomasz,
I am very aware of the limitations of one person --I have that problem myself --just ask my wife. I waited a long time and considered carefully before posting the original post here. I was trying to be careful to mention only those things that are a real problem that are affecting my ability to earn a living trading with AB.
There are many things that I would like to see added to AFL, and there are some bugs that are rare and difficult to reproduce or things that I can work around, but the things mentioned here are those that affect everyone to some degree and are also an embarrassment to me personally when I recommend AB to others who rely on studies.
I am satisfied when you say that you will look into the matter now that I have stated my case for the need. I invited others to comment so that we would know if my needs are unique and therefore of lower priority for you, and in case I missed an important point. I know when you look into an area, you like to take care of several things at once if possible.
Everyone appreciates ALL you do for your users.
Sometimes you need to have well organized feedback (and not just random pot shots all mixed together) to make sense of the synergistic affects of many related subjects so you can gage how to pick which things will have the most beneficial effects for your customer friends.
Just relax and let this thread play out so that all the issues in this particular one can be understood. Then you can decide what should be done and what priority to give it. I am doing this in a helpful frame of mind, but with a real feeling of need on my part.
Best regards, Dennis
On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote: Hello, You people don't seem to realise that I am THE ONLY PERSON who works on AmiBroker code. The day has only 24 hours and one person has only two hands. Now if even few people ouf of 8000 users submit "ideas" everyday, no matter what I do I can not implement them IMMEDIATELLY. And no, I can not hire 2 more programmers because then I would need to rise the cost of the program 3 times and then everyone would scream that it is too expensive and will walk away. Then it would mean the end of product. So, considering that I am the ONLY DEVELOPER of AmiBroker and wrote everything from scratch with my own hands, I can say that: a) I am doing more than anyone in this business to make customers happy b) I am implementing MORE features/user requests/ideas than anyone else in this business c) I am going an extra mile with responding PERSONALLY on the public mailing list to many of your posts. I can not do MORE than I am doing now. It is physically impossible for anyone. So, if I tell you that I am going to check things, I will do that, but this is all subject to TIME and PHYSICAL ABILITY constraints. Pushing the string does not help at all. It makes things worse.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
Dennis: I completely agree with your overall assessment and know that at least several users also completely or partially agree but may or may not respond - so you are not alone. Much has been said through the years on the Yahoo board/AB website/support mail about bugs, "clunkiness", and desired/necessary features. Because of the type of problems that you mentioned (I am also indicator mode oriented), I use the EOD version of AB and then only at "half throttle" because my applications and programming needs are not as extensive as that of a number of other AB users. Like you, I use broker supplied and personal software for RT streaming and charting studies (no "shoe" fits all). These issues, however, are not restricted to AB as evidenced by a recent review on another board where the user compared AB/Metastock/Tradestation/Blocks and ended up (as I understand) with a Blocks package that includes charting/streaming data/EOD data/backtesting/useful standard features - so things are evolving. Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: [amibroker] Study Charting dare I say bugs...
Friends,
AmiBroker is a wonderful program for many things. In fact I use only
a fraction of its total capability for my trading style. I trade only
single ticker (futures) real time and write whole trading systems just
in AFL in indicator mode. This is actually more like the traditional
chart trading that is offered by many brokers.
I would expect that AB, which supports all these functions as a very
basic operating mode would be at least as good as other charting
programs.
However, even though the fundamental operations are there (and I think
potentially better), the interface (either design or implementation
bugs --I don't know which) has made it hard for me to use this product
for drawing even basic lines on the charts while trading. In fact, I
need a second chart from my broker's application open to the same
ticker just so I can draw lines where I want them even though AB would
be superior at this if it were not for the bugs. This has been going
on with me for over a year now and it is costing me.
I have other trading friends that I have recommended try AB in the
last week, and I am embarrassed to think what they will say to me when
they figure out that these basic features don't work properly. I have
actually refrained from recommending AB to them for quite a while --
hoping these things would be fixed first.
I don't know how many other traders are frustrated by the same bugs,
but if you are, please join the conversation so that Tomasz knows that
this is important to you also and perhaps we can get some higher
priority on getting the study charting to work properly.
Here is a short list of my frustrating bugs --there are others on the
suggestions and bug lists, but I am only pointing out the ones that
cost profits by either making it very slow to do a simple operation
that makes one lose the trade opportunity, or creates frustration and
emotion which takes one out of the trading "Zone", or makes the line
drawn correctly to become inaccurate causing one to miss the trigger
point for a trade. If I have missed any that you feel are costing you
profits (not the nice to have pretty things) than please add them to
the conversation.
#726. Handles from a selected study line are not respected. Often
several lines are anchored or pass through the same pivot points.
Price levels, Trend lines, Forks, Fibs, etc., often use a common pivot
point. However, as a trade progresses, new pivots become more
important and the lines need to be adjusted in real time. It is easy
to select a study just by clicking on it in a spot where it is unique,
and the handles will appear along the line. However, unlike any other
charting program I have ever used, clicking and dragging on the
visible handle will not usually work properly if any other study
crosses very close to that handle. The problem is that AB will grab
the earliest drawn study and not the selected one --it will un-select
the one you selected and select the oldest one and drag it instead.
After playing around for a few valuable seconds trying to grab the
right line, I end up having to move the whole line away from its
current location and reposition all its handles. Very frustrating and
takes the time and concentration away from the trading action.
#728. Horizontal price levels do not stay horizontal. The horizontal
lines (price levels) do not snap to a bar with the magnet mode on.
They just are placed at the cursor level. However, if you click on
the line, it jumps to an angled line that snaps to the bar on the left
side of the screen. Its operation is just bizarre and causes errors
in placement of the price level after the fact. Completely
unacceptable behavior for trading.
#890. Study handles change when off screen. Lets say you have the
magnet on and are zoomed out and draw a trend line between two peaks.
Next you zoom in on the trading action so that only the right hand
handle is visible on the chart. Now say the prices have advanced to a
new peak and you need to adjust the right handle to the new peak (this
is a very common occurrence). Most of the time, that handle that is
off screen jumps to a new bar position and is no longer on the peak
you selected. Of course that changes the slope of the trend line to
the wrong one, but you never know it when trading and you end up
placing bad breakout trades because the line is in the wrong place
now. Completely unacceptable behavior for trading.
#990. Drag shadow is on the wrong bar. When dragging a study, there
is a thin "shadow" line that shows which bar you have dragged the
handles to. However, when the mouse is released, the study gets moved
to a different bar than the one indicated by the shadow. This wastes
valuable time with two or three attempts to figure out which wrong bar
to put the shadow on to get the study to go where you want it. This
is an annoyance.
And here is one more that I just found today. If I draw trend lines
on a one minute bar snapped to peaks, then switch to a 5 minute view,
the trend lines are shown on the wrong 5 minute bars. And heaven help
me if I select the line in that view, because it will snap to these
wrong bars.
There you have my short list. Please speak up if these issues affect
you.
Best regards,
Dennis
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