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Tomasz,
I did not mean to imply that the information is not available if you
know where to look. My suggestion is that ALL the information is
indexed and searchable from one top level page, so that it is only
one or two clicks to find descriptions of an AFL term or to see all
the terms that are related to a functional category. This becomes
more and more important as AFL grows in richness. To the old hands,
it is no problem, because they have learned from simple times to
present, one step at a time. However, for beginners, first reading
the documentation, they are overwhelmed with information and do not
retain enough when they are trying to write AFL. This can be seen
over and over on this site, as newbies are chastised for not reading
all the information --when they actually did, but could not retain
enough or remember where to find it again.
I retain information when I need to use it, and I apply it to a real
problem. I can not afford to re-read all the documentation every
time I want to write something new. I would never get anything done.
LOL I need a quick way to zero in on just the information I need at
the moment.
I have spent hours trying to remember where I saw documentation on a
subject and locate it again on the website --sometimes
unsuccessfully. If I was familiar with all the info and where
everything is found on the site, as you are, then it would be no
problem, but I am not there yet, even after a year of learning AFL
off and on. I see myself as just your typical user who has had some
amateur programming experience, but not directly with the AFL like
syntax. For instance not equal has been "<>" in every language I
have used before AFL not "!=". AFL is perfectly good once I get used
to the differences from my past experience. This is an opportunity
for you to understand what it is like for an ignorant new user like
myself trying to come up to speed.
I would have been completely lost if it were not for the lists of AFL
functions by category and alpha. I just want that helpful index to
extend to the rest of the language, even if the term in the glossary
just linked to the appropriate user guide page, or tutorial, without
changing the lowest level documentation, that would be a great
improvement for me.
I fully appreciate the difficulty of documentation and how to
organize it to make it the most useful for everyone. I sometimes
think it is a harder task than creating the product! You have done a
great job with AB so far, and I only want to see it improved over
time. I hope you can understand where I am coming from.
Thank you,
Dennis
On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Everything that you mentioned already in the User's Guide.
>
> You are probably referring not to "search" page but to "index" page
> of HTML Help system.
> But then again - what is not in the "index" is on the "Search" page
> (3rd one, not 2nd.).
>
> Also I think that +, -, >, < , * and all that stuff is elementary
> school knowledge
> and it is assumed it is known to everybody.
> I think that everybody agree that + is addition and does not
> require any further explanation.
>
> Available operators (including comparision operators) are listed
> and meaning explained:
> http://www.amibroker.com/guide/a_language.html (in the middle)
>
> All others (keywords and function names) are already described.
>
> Reserved variables and constants as well are described:
> http://www.amibroker.com/guide/a_language.html
> (at the end)
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] AB charting improvements (revisited)
>
>
>> Tomasz,
>>
>> What I am referring to is much more complete than this, and included
>> at the top level search page. The complete glossary of all language
>> elements recognized by the complier and their use arranged by alpha
>> and category. I believe this would be a big boost to learning and
>> later referencing. Example: comparison operators could be grouped
>> into one page that the individual entries point to. Example: All
>> style constants would be grouped into a single page. Example of a
>> few terms that would be included:
>>
>> +
>> +=
>> -
>> -=
>>>
>> <
>>> =
>> <=
>> ==
>> !=
>> =
>> ()
>> {}
>> []
>> ,
>> ;
>> &
>> AND
>> |
>> OR
>> FOR
>> IF
>> _SECTION_END()
>> StyleLine
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As for glossary of AFL keywords:
>>>
>>> http://www.amibroker.com/guide/a_keywords.html
>>>
>>> - isn't this what you are looking for ?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>> amibroker.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dennis Brown" <see3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [amibroker] AB charting improvements (revisited)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tomasz,
>>>>
>>>> I am also using AB also for discretionary trading while also
>>>> developing helpful AFL systems. Since I am trading in real time,
>>>> anything that cost me extra time or distracts my attention from
>>>> trading is undesirable. I have also made a number of
>>>> suggestions to
>>>> speed up using AB for this type of trading. I am just talking
>>>> about
>>>> the most basic line charting things here that I am using every day,
>>>> not big things to come. I am sure you would find it helpful to
>>>> know
>>>> the most important things to me in this category. If I had to rank
>>>> the things that slow me down the most in this category, this
>>>> would be
>>>> my list:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Priority given to handles of selected lines. (#726)
>>>> 2) Magnet snap to points auto snap to lowest time frame in
>>>> database.
>>>> (#727)
>>>> 3) Ray length being adjustable. (#76 planned)
>>>> 4) Cross-hairs 2 - display date/time and price on axes at ends of
>>>> cross-hairs (#732) --from list below
>>>>
>>>> For learning and writing AFL my priority would be:
>>>> 1) Include a complete web glossary of AFL key words and operators
>>>> like is done just for functions now. (#976)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for being the kind of developer that listens to your
>>>> customers. I really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Sirbrainfart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tomasz,
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in February the group had a discussion about which charting
>>>>> studies
>>>>> they would like to see improved in AB. During the course of the
>>>>> discussion you encouraged all to send their suggestions to the
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> centre. I've just had a scroll through the list and there are a
>>>>> hell of
>>>>> a lot of open suggestions in there so it seems that the group did
>>>>> its
>>>>> bit !! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please understand that I know you're extremely busy and
>>>>> commited to
>>>>> the
>>>>> development of your program, so I don't want to give the
>>>>> impression
>>>>> that
>>>>> I'm being impatient...would just like your up-to-date views on
>>>>> what
>>>>> priority level you have assigned these improvements and when we
>>>>> might
>>>>> expect them ? Generally speaking of course. The reason I need to
>>>>> know is
>>>>> that I'm a discretionary trader and would *really* like to only
>>>>> have to
>>>>> use one piece of charting software. At the moment I hop between
>>>>> AB and
>>>>> others simply becuase AB is missing a few essential (IMHO) tools/
>>>>> functions.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we're on the same page (and so you can see I'm not just
>>>>> having a
>>>>> general gripe!) I've listed the particular improvements I would
>>>>> like to
>>>>> see personally, with the suggestion numbers next to them.
>>>>> Others are
>>>>> welcome to add to this list of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Andrew's Pitchfork - warning lines and Schiff/Modified Schiff
>>>>> projection methods (suggestions #148, 913, 917 and 881). Please,
>>>>> please,
>>>>> please - this is the real motivation for this post, I just got
>>>>> carried
>>>>> away with the rest!!!
>>>>> 2) Equivolume chart style (#299, 733, 864)
>>>>> 3) VAP which allows summation over a defined date range (#491)
>>>>> 4) Projection - drawing tools properties option to project
>>>>> studies "x"
>>>>> bars into the future from the right-hand edge (can't remember
>>>>> wher I
>>>>> read this)
>>>>> 5) Fib tool - ability to turn off range trendline (can't remember
>>>>> where
>>>>> I read this either)
>>>>> 6) Renko charts (#772)
>>>>> 7) Lines - more choices in line thickness, plus "dashed" option (#
>>>>> 142,
>>>>> 411, 512)
>>>>> 8) Zooming on window re-size - ability to retain fixed *scaling*
>>>>> when
>>>>> windows are maximised/restored instead of displaying a fixed
>>>>> number of
>>>>> bars and adjusting the scaling (i.e. similar to how E-signal
>>>>> charting
>>>>> handles it) (#555)
>>>>> 9) Click and drag scrolling via chart window (place mouse in blank
>>>>> chart
>>>>> area and hold down LMB to drag window - again as per E-signal).
>>>>> (#540)
>>>>> 10) Cross-hairs - a saveable preference for all windows to avoid
>>>>> Ctr-H
>>>>> at each program launch. (#158, #885)
>>>>> 11) Cross-hairs 2 - display date/time and price on axes at ends of
>>>>> cross-hairs (#732)
>>>>> 11) Action-Reaction Lines. (#149 - listed as postponed)
>>>>> 12) Floating charts (#165 listed as planned in June last year)
>>>>> 13) 'Nudge' studies with arrow keys (#542)
>>>>> 14) Ellipse tool improvement (#768)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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