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Dimitris:
Salil's short message was at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abtool/message/721
and my reply only spoke of general agreement of my surprise at others
having negative reactions to the news that ABTool was now "commercial".
>From several of your messages, I have gotten the impression that you
have "missed" the core concept of the emotion and reaction that these
messages refer to .... please forgive me if I am wrong.
You said in another message you were confused about version numbers of
1.3, etc, when the version numbers were up at 4.39 etc. This led me to
believe you were missing the point about ABTool, an adjunct piece of
original software that works with Amibroker and which was developed in a
way to give people the impression it would remain freeware, when in
fact, the author intended it go "go commercial". Again, my apologies if
you know this, but your questions suggest otherwise.
Perhaps you would review a variety of the recent messages on the abtool
yahoo group list for further background.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS [mailto:TSOKAKIS@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:30 PM
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amibroker] Re: [abtool] Commercial ABtool and 'xxsystems.com'
Ken,
I didnīt find Salilīs original message anywhere in this list.
Have you started some kind of inter-list thread ?
I really hope to be the only confused person here, but, give an
explanation, please, to connect us to the subject...
Dimitris Tsokakis
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Close" <closeks@xxxx> wrote:
> Salil raises an interesting point...., ie, surprise in the reaction
to
> going commercial.
>
> As AB gains in popularity and distributed usage, the pool of AB
users
> will swell. This is a "market", just like any other group using
some
> kind of software (or service or other type of hard product).
>
> Entrepreneurs will sense a gap in the current product offerings and
> will, in the spirit of entrepreneurship, develop a variation or
other
> product to fill the gap.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of this process?
>
> Thus, the idea of investing all of the work is to reap a reward.
Some
> entrepreneurs are interested in the money, while others are
interested
> in keeping "score" on the success of their endeavors (usually
measured
> in hard numbers of profit).
>
> I, too, do not understand the emotional response engendered by the
> announcement. Perhaps some of you thought UM was doing this in his
> spare time for the programming challenge.
>
> There are two (possibly more) reasons for the reactions. One, the
AB
> community is "spoiled" and is used to gigantic capabilities being
> delivered for little or no money (meaning the many many additions
to AB
> that only cost a modest upgrade fee every x months) (Witness the
many
> who have not upgraded and have a question that has been answered in
one
> of the recent betas--which they do not have because they have not
> upgraded). This has ominous implications for others among this
> community who may be contemplating some value-adding type of
product for
> which they would like to make some money.
>
> Two, perhaps this is a reaction to the relatively poor customer
> responses that UM has delivered in the past. While I have
experienced
> most of his replies to be responsive to customer requests, he easily
> slipped over into name calling and worse when some continually
> questioned a technical issue (memory leakage comes to mind). An
easy
> trap for an entrepreneur to fall into is to take personal affront to
> someone calling your "baby" flawed, when you "think" or "know" it is
> not. The saying in America is "The customer is always right" (even
when
> they are not). Otherwise, you eventually lose the customer (and
perhaps
> more via word of mouth) or simply build up ill will which eventually
> limits sales.
>
> A third possible reason is "purely" the surprise idea of all of a
sudden
> being told that there is a charge for the new product and the
surprise
> this causes, especially after the investment of time in ABTool and
also
> perhaps being in category 1 mentioned above. Most new businesses
hardly
> ever announce ahead of time that the product they are "peeping" to
the
> world will be going commercial because it gives would-be
competitors a
> leg up in preparing for a competitive response. While this is
doubly
> true in the consumer products industry where I spent my entire
career
> (in product development and manufacturing engineering), it may be a
bit
> of a stretch in the AB Add-on marketing world (small that it is).
>
> Any reactions to this, and are there any Amibroker Add-on products
that
> the AB community would willingly and happily endorse and support and
> purchase--especially if the "tone" and "approach" of the potential
> entrepreneur was aboveboard, polite, and helpful?
>
> Comments?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: salil_gangal [mailto:salil_gangal@x...]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:03 PM
> To: abtool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [abtool] Commercial ABtool and 'xxsystems.com'
>
> Hi Uenal,
>
> First of all - a big virtual pat on the back for the outstanding
work
> you've done with the excellent set of tools.
>
> Next - I wish you good luck for your commercial 'xxsystems.com' !
>
> Finally - I'm a bit (nay a lot) surprised to read some of the
> negative reactions by the users of your tools when they found out
> that you have decided to make *your* ABtool software a commercial
> product, rather than keeping it freeware.
>
> Regards,
> - Salil V Gangal
>
>
> --- In abtool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, uenal.mutlu@xxxx wrote:
> > A new web site has been set up for ABtool and xxTrader:
> > http://www.xxsystems.com
> >
> > --
> > Uenal Mutlu
> > xxSystems.com
>
>
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