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Ken,
thank you for your kind reply.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Close" <closeks@xxxx> wrote:
> Dimitris:
>
> Salil's short message was at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/abtool/message/721
I donīt read this site.
> and my reply only spoke of general agreement of my surprise at
others
> having negative reactions to the news that ABTool was
now "commercial".
Did you expect anything different ? It was obvious long time ago...
> From several of your messages, I have gotten the impression that you
> have "missed" the core concept of the emotion and reaction that
these
> messages refer to .... please forgive me if I am wrong.
No, you are not wrong.
> You said in another message you were confused about version numbers
of
> 1.3, etc, when the version numbers were up at 4.39 etc. This led
me to
> believe you were missing the point about ABTool, an adjunct piece of
> original software that works with Amibroker and which was developed
in a
> way to give people the impression it would remain freeware, when in
> fact, the author intended it go "go commercial". Again, my
apologies if
> you know this, but your questions suggest otherwise.
Any reader of this *amibroker* list could be [and will be] confused
when he reads for version 1.3 and $69 etc. etc.
Some people need this list to speak for other products. They have
some reason to do it and they know better...
>
> Perhaps you would review a variety of the recent messages on the
abtool
> yahoo group list for further background.
Thanks for the info, but I am not interested for any peripherals
related to amibroker.
Some time ago Tomasz encouraged these efforts. He decided to do this.
I will not make any further comments.
Thanks again
Dimitris Tsokakis
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DIMITRIS TSOKAKIS [mailto:TSOKAKIS@x...]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amibroker] Re: [abtool] Commercial ABtool
and 'xxsystems.com'
>
> Ken,
> I didnīt find Salilīs original message anywhere in this list.
> Have you started some kind of inter-list thread ?
> I really hope to be the only confused person here, but, give an
> explanation, please, to connect us to the subject...
> Dimitris Tsokakis
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ken Close" <closeks@xxxx> wrote:
> > Salil raises an interesting point...., ie, surprise in the
reaction
> to
> > going commercial.
> >
> > As AB gains in popularity and distributed usage, the pool of AB
> users
> > will swell. This is a "market", just like any other group using
> some
> > kind of software (or service or other type of hard product).
> >
> > Entrepreneurs will sense a gap in the current product offerings
and
> > will, in the spirit of entrepreneurship, develop a variation or
> other
> > product to fill the gap.
> >
> > Has anyone ever heard of this process?
> >
> > Thus, the idea of investing all of the work is to reap a reward.
> Some
> > entrepreneurs are interested in the money, while others are
> interested
> > in keeping "score" on the success of their endeavors (usually
> measured
> > in hard numbers of profit).
> >
> > I, too, do not understand the emotional response engendered by the
> > announcement. Perhaps some of you thought UM was doing this in
his
> > spare time for the programming challenge.
> >
> > There are two (possibly more) reasons for the reactions. One,
the
> AB
> > community is "spoiled" and is used to gigantic capabilities being
> > delivered for little or no money (meaning the many many additions
> to AB
> > that only cost a modest upgrade fee every x months) (Witness the
> many
> > who have not upgraded and have a question that has been answered
in
> one
> > of the recent betas--which they do not have because they have not
> > upgraded). This has ominous implications for others among this
> > community who may be contemplating some value-adding type of
> product for
> > which they would like to make some money.
> >
> > Two, perhaps this is a reaction to the relatively poor customer
> > responses that UM has delivered in the past. While I have
> experienced
> > most of his replies to be responsive to customer requests, he
easily
> > slipped over into name calling and worse when some continually
> > questioned a technical issue (memory leakage comes to mind). An
> easy
> > trap for an entrepreneur to fall into is to take personal affront
to
> > someone calling your "baby" flawed, when you "think" or "know" it
is
> > not. The saying in America is "The customer is always right"
(even
> when
> > they are not). Otherwise, you eventually lose the customer (and
> perhaps
> > more via word of mouth) or simply build up ill will which
eventually
> > limits sales.
> >
> > A third possible reason is "purely" the surprise idea of all of a
> sudden
> > being told that there is a charge for the new product and the
> surprise
> > this causes, especially after the investment of time in ABTool
and
> also
> > perhaps being in category 1 mentioned above. Most new businesses
> hardly
> > ever announce ahead of time that the product they are "peeping"
to
> the
> > world will be going commercial because it gives would-be
> competitors a
> > leg up in preparing for a competitive response. While this is
> doubly
> > true in the consumer products industry where I spent my entire
> career
> > (in product development and manufacturing engineering), it may be
a
> bit
> > of a stretch in the AB Add-on marketing world (small that it is).
> >
> > Any reactions to this, and are there any Amibroker Add-on
products
> that
> > the AB community would willingly and happily endorse and support
and
> > purchase--especially if the "tone" and "approach" of the potential
> > entrepreneur was aboveboard, polite, and helpful?
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: salil_gangal [mailto:salil_gangal@x...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:03 PM
> > To: abtool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [abtool] Commercial ABtool and 'xxsystems.com'
> >
> > Hi Uenal,
> >
> > First of all - a big virtual pat on the back for the outstanding
> work
> > you've done with the excellent set of tools.
> >
> > Next - I wish you good luck for your commercial 'xxsystems.com' !
> >
> > Finally - I'm a bit (nay a lot) surprised to read some of the
> > negative reactions by the users of your tools when they found out
> > that you have decided to make *your* ABtool software a commercial
> > product, rather than keeping it freeware.
> >
> > Regards,
> > - Salil V Gangal
> >
> >
> > --- In abtool@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, uenal.mutlu@xxxx wrote:
> > > A new web site has been set up for ABtool and xxTrader:
> > > http://www.xxsystems.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > Uenal Mutlu
> > > xxSystems.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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