Re: [RT] Zigzag Statistics, RealTraders Email List Archive

Thanks Sergey, Would love to see a future projection.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sergey

To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:23 AM

Subject: Re: [RT] Zigzag Statistics

Hi, Clyde

What you are describing is a childs approach to what the SwingMachine does in analyzing swings over whatever period using whatever data you want.

In this particular case I do not see any contradiction with SM, we do different things.

I simply provide the statistical analysis for zigzag for any time frame/data/zigzag parameters. As a result, I get diagrams like this one:

It shows the most probable resistance levels (red stripes in the right part).

My main interest is to get a reliable forecast, and we do that applying another technology - Back Testing. It is in brief:

a) break available price history on two sets training interval and testing interval ("out of sample")

b) provide spectrum analysis to reveal dominant cycles

d) generate neural network projection line based on these cycles

e) estimate how this projection line forecasts on "out of sample" price history data

f) conduct the same procedure for another "out of sample" data

We get a lot of projection lines (hundreds) for different models (with varying parameters in spectrum and neural nets), and we have a report for each one of them, like this one:

http://www.timingsolution.com/TS/Study/BT/report_6_Mar_200713_34.htm

The technology is described here:

http://www.timingsolution.com/TS/Study/BT/

I think that for swing neural network analysis it is better to use detrended zigzag as output: http://www.timingsolution.com/TS/Uphistory/u_5.htm

As you see, Clyde, I am not discussing what Swing Machine does (I do not know that). I have enough things to do.

Best regards.

Sergey.

----- Original Message -----

From: clydelee

To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RT] Zigzag Statistics

What you are describing is a childs approach to what the

SwingMachine does in analyzing swings over whatever

period using whatever data you want.

I commend you for your effort and particularly when

you say Fibonacci is BS.

If you want this published then email the SM list.

Clyde

----- Original Message -----

From: Sergey

To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:08 PM

Subject: [RT] Zigzag Statistics

Hello,

I have done some statistical research for support/resistance levels for intraday data.

The analysed data are S&P500 futures, 1min bar from 1997 year. This is more than 2 millions price bars!

I analysed 0.25% zigzag, this is 1-5 hours swing (7000 turning points) and performed the statistical research for the ratio between down trend swing (BC) and uptrend swing (AB):

This is a histogram I have got for [down swing]/[up swing] ratio:

We can make following conclusions regarding the ratio of heights of down and up swings:

1) The most probable ratio is 1, 2, 3 i.e. whole numbers. In other words, the down swing is equal to up swing, or is twice higher.

2) Classical Fibonaci ratios do not work. They are marked by purple vertical stripes

3) Some clusters present at 0.87 0.93

4) Use of these criteria only to reveal next turning points is too risky

I did the same analysis for more complicated swing schemes like the ratio for down swing to previous down swing ( (B-C)/(A1-A) ratio).

Best regards.

Sergey.

http://www.timingsolution.com