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At one time this list had a couple of people who
were into ridicule of almost everyone that had something to say or
contribute. That turned me off for quite a while and at times I am still
hesitant to post. I don't need it and some others who have knowledge to
pass on were turned off also. Like most groups on the net there are a
very few members that contribute and the rest just lurk.
There are those that troll for names to solicit and
there are others that seek nothing but to take and not contribute. There
are certain posts that I will respond to if I see something different and feel
that it might help. Most posts I just ignore.
I have posted several projections on this list that
have come to pass. I have seen Ben
stick his neck out on numerous occasions as well as Clyde and some others.
I don't trade very often any more. I have been retired for over 20
years. But the markets are worse then a drug and the fascination with the
markets still holds my curiosity and attention. I have used the same
system for over 30 years and never had to change or adjust it. I didn't
re-invent the wheel or unearth the Holy Grail. Everything that you need to
win in the markets is out there and has been there for 30 years or
more.
Most people on these lists are seeking a free
lunch. I don't blame them, I feel sorry for them as most of them will go
through their money and be no better off then when they started. How many
of you have blown your capitol, saved up and tried again and failed, and so
on. This is a business like any other. 95% of all start-up
businesses fail. The reason. The people that start them don't know
how to run a business. Is trading any different? You can blame
everyone for your failure, but it is no ones fault but yours. You go
to years of school to learn a profession and then you intern in order
to become proficient at, it rather then just school smart. Yet you expect
to become a good trader and make a living just because you have several thousand
dollars to put into an account or because you were successful in your present
business or profession. If you were a successful lawyer and made tons of
money would you expect to be able to walk into an operating room and do brain
surgery because you read a book and got some information on a medical web
site. I don't think so, yet you feel that you can become a successful
trader by doing exactly that.
Have any of you set down what you want a system to
provide you? Profit isn't the answer to the question. Have any of
you laid out a business plan or risk analysis for a money management
system? Have any of you bothered to find out what an indicator is supposed
to do and why the numbers used are important? Have any of you done
anything other then grab a gem here and there and figure that over time you will
figure it all out because are smart and successful in your current
position? This is a business like any other. You buy inventory and
then you try to sell it at a higher price or you sell it first and try to buy it
back later at a cheaper price. Like any other business if you buy wrong
you lose. To buy right you have to understand what you are buying and
whether the system that you are using says you will be able to do so. If
you were running a regular business you would look cost of
inventory, a rate of return and cash flow to mention just a couple of
things. Instead most are looking to ride one big winner into the sunset.
I am sorry about getting carried away, but every
now and then I guess one just has to speak out. Have a good week
all. Ira.
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:32
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Advertising
I have never belonged to this group when it was active, and
frankly think I missed out. While other lists that I have been
associated with seem to grow and flourish, this one seems to be stuck.
Really unfortunate for those like me who are still the neophytes, the unwashed
beginners (and some of us take a very long time to become relatively
proficient). And I value the input to this list when it does arrive; for
me I try to glean what nuggets appear. So I thank those who do take the
time to do so like Ben, Earl, you Bob, Clyde, Ira, when he does. Those
whom come to mind at the moment. And I know there is a lot of wisdom,
knowledge, and talent represented in this membership.
So what has
caused the die off? I have never felt that has been flaming or trashing
anyone's posting.
What would cause anyone to become more
active?
As of this moment there are 942 members. Why are we all
hanging around? Why the large membership that does not post? What
does the membership want to see here?
As far as advertising is
concerned: I really get annoyed by overt, blatant postings. I
don't care much if what is posted is related to a discussion or in
response to query.
Bob, when it does surface, there is generally enough
bitching at the poster to at least bring it to your attention and you can act
on it however you are inclined. I am with what John seems to be stating
that a relative standard could be applied rather than an absolute
one.
Some thoughts,
Dan
BobsKC wrote:
I am in favor of invigorating the list as much as you are
John. I will do anything the membership wants to do but it will
take some convincing to cause me to believe that a majority of our members
want to see any type of advertising on this list or that the list would be
somehow better with such content. I do waive this rule at the end of
each year for the week between Christmas and New Years so our members who
wish to, can state what they offer and how to access those services or
products but how a steady flow of such information would improve the quality
or animation of the list escapes me.
This list doesn't belong to me
or anyone. It belongs to all of you and if you want unrestricted
advertising on our list, let me know and if I hear from 50.1% of you that
this is what you want, I'll drop that restriction.
Bob
At 06:08 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
Bob:
While I in general
support the prohibition on advertising, I thought Tim’s post was made
within the proper context for usefulness. Perhaps zero tolerance is
just a little too oppressive. It is my opinion, and my opinion only,
that the quality of the discussion has evaporated over the last several
years. Perhaps a little leeway on this issue, in a contextual
basis, would help invigorate the group and discussion a little. It
is just a suggestion in the spirit of Real Traders sharing their
experiences.
Regards,
John J.
Lothian
From: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[
mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jim
thompson
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:12 PM
To:
realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:
[RT] Re: Advertising
I'm wondering Bob why we have
that policy regarding advertising. Was that something the list members
voted on or just the moderator decided on it or just how did that come
into being? You're right in that I believe the vast majority do not
want this forum to be a place where we get inundated with tons of spam
advertising. But I'm sure on the other hand many listers would be very
interested in what Ira, Ben, Tim et al have to offer. I for one am always
on a continual quest to be 'educated' and I'm willing to pay for it.
Certainly we can contact them offline to find out what each has to offer,
but, likewise, often we have no idea someone has something to offer unless
they 'mention' it here. I, for one, found Tim's post very innocuous and
appreciated him letting us know 'he's back' and how to get a hold of him
and what he has to offer. The majority of spam advertisers we've
seemed to have here have been the one time blatantly hit and disappear
type. Maybe some leniency could be available to listers who have
been on the forum say for a year+, or who have posted X number of times or
something similar. jt
- From: BobsKC <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Advertising
- I have sent two direct mails to the offenders of our no advertising
- policy in the past week warning them about violations of this
- rule. I remind everyone again that this list has zero
tolerance for
- ignoring this policy and after having sent this out, I will now
- remove anyone who violates this policy without notice. Simply
put,
- do not mention or brag or talk about your services or products or
- anyone else's services or products on this list unless said products
- or services are totally free without enhanced, charged services or
products.
- Bob
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