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RE: [RT] Re: CME GLOBEX down



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size=2>what is a Stop Market Order.  That seems like it is 
redundant since a Stop Order becomes a Market Order when it is 
hit.
 


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  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: tradewynne 
  [mailto:tradewynne@xxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:15 
  AMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [RT] Re: CME 
  GLOBEX downI also think you have it backwards with 
  > regard to Stop Market v Stop Limit orders -- I always thought 
  Globex  held Stop Market orders, but not Stop Limit; you have it the 
  other way  around.Dan,Check with your FCM.... Earl 
  has it right with all FCMs I know of.Stop Limits are held by 
  Globex.--- In realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dan Goncharoff 
  <TheGonch@xxxx> wrote:> I have one comment to hat Earl wrote 
  here.> > We have had discussions in the past about brokers 
  'holding' stops on > their own computers, which means they are not 
  held at the exchange. > Instead, the broker's system is monitoring the 
  market, and transmitting > an order to the exchange when the stop 
  is triggered. Broker stops, as > opposed to exchange stops, might 
  not be automatically canceled; it would > depend on the policy of 
  the broker. It would be necessary to clarify the > situation on 
  broker stops with your broker. (I don't know what you mean > by 
  Market orders sitting in broker computers, unless you are talking > 
  about the orders that get caught in the moments between order entry and 
  > transmission to the exchange.) I also think you have it backwards 
  with > regard to Stop Market v Stop Limit orders -- I always 
  thought Globex > held Stop Market orders, but not Stop Limit; you 
  have it the other way > around.> > Regards> 
  DanG> > EarlA wrote:> > >Dan,> 
  >> >Short answer is the elevation in blood pressure!> 
  >> >I don't know what will happen which is why I was reading 
  through the rules.> >Unfortunately, the rules don't shed much 
  light on the subject other than to> >give impression that, 
  should the order book not be cleared, that there will> >be a ton 
  of busted trades.> >> >When Globex went down, I had order 
  working to sell 908.50. I haven't> >bothered to send in a cancel 
  because the network is down and it won't be> >processed until 
  Globex comes back up. I don't mind if I'm filled, although> >it 
  would be great to be filled higher. I don't expect that will happen 
  since> >I think that the book will be cleared. I have another order 
  parked which I> >will release when a) I know that the order book 
  has been cleared and b)> >Globex has reopened.> 
  >> >By clearing the order book, I mean that the PTB at Globex 
  decide to simply> >start over with no orders. This would mean 
  deleting all orders in the Globex> >computers and probably all 
  resting Stop and Market orders in broker> >computers. Keep in mind 
  that only Limit and Stop Limit orders are held in> >Globex 
  computers. Other order types are hosted on broker computers and> 
  >released to Globex as the quote stream warrants.> >> 
  >If anyone has any better information on how a startup will be handled, 
  would> >be great to see it.> >> >Earl> 
  >> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dan C" 
  <dan.c@xxxx>> >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> 
  >Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:30 AM> >Subject: Re: [RT] Re: 
  CME GLOBEX down> >> >> >  > 
  >> >>Earl,> >>> >>At the risk of 
  looking stupid:> >>> >>EarlA wrote:> 
  >>> >>    > >>> 
  >>>I was just reading through the Globex rules and regulations 
  which can be> >>>accesses at <A 
  href="">http://www.cme.com/get/support/globex_policies.cfm. 
  I don't> >>>      > 
  >>>> >know> >  > >> 
  >>>how this will be handled, however my guess is that they will 
  clear the> >>>      > 
  >>>> >order> >  > >> 
  >>>book and require that all orders be re-entered. The alternative 
  would be> >>>      > 
  >>>> >a> >  > >> 
  >>>mess.> >>>      > 
  >>>> >>What does clearing the order book mean?  
  Greatfully, I was not in a> >>    > 
  >>> >position, but> >  > >> 
  >>suppose I was.  Lets say for the sake of discussion, I was short 
  at 904.50> >>    > >>> 
  >just> >  > >> >>prior to outage and 
  I had a stop at 905.50, and the inx.x is up about> 
  >>    > >>> >909.50what> 
  >  > >> >>would one expect other than an 
  elevation in Blood Pressure?> >>> >>Dan> 
  >>    > >>> >> >> 
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