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Re: [RT] John Murphy notes: the market isn't "cheap"



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A pattern will follow through or it will fail pattern ,which 
is as good , better in most cases. As one side is trapped and "out at any price" 
is the best opportunity .
 
The Head and Shoulders price pattern is a lot more than just a 
price pattern, it is also a volume pattern , which is more important 
.
Volume is the key in all these price patterns. It is what tells the 
story. 
Like the sub titles in a movie. Without volume there is no 
sentiment. No place to tell where the orders are . 
Which was the other Fed study .. The more important study one , 
they did .
So,
 All good Head and Shoulders are tradable , not all Head and 
Shoulders are good . 
It is the hidden and the hard ,that make them good or 
not.
  Mr. Murphy makes this point very well in his books for 
the careful reader.
 
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: 
  M. 
  Simms 
  To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:52 
PM
  Subject: RE: [RT] John Murphy notes: the 
  market isn't "cheap"
  See post regarding the 93% success rate.........I don't 
  believe it...Bulkowski can't code....thus he probably can't 
  specify.....thus thetechnique is probably unreliable.> 
  -----Original Message-----> From: Daniel Goncharoff 
  [mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx]> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:32 
  AM> To: <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
  Subject: Re: [RT] John Murphy notes: the market isn't 
  "cheap">>> Why would you be 'heavily' short? Wouldn't you 
  want to take a short> position in anticipation of the move, but not a 
  big one, since we agree> that it is often inconclusive, and at times 
  produces a reversal?>> Regards> DanG>> "M. 
  Simms" wrote:> >> > If that's the case, then you should be 
  heavily short....> > on anticipation of the neckline 
  "break".> >> > > -----Original Message-----> 
  > > From: Adrian Pitt [mailto:apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > > 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:37 AM> > > To: 
  realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: [RT] John Murphy 
  notes: the market isn't "cheap"> > >> > >> 
  > > You mean I can trade a Head and Shoulder top for a small 
  risk> and make a> > > great gain on many occasions, 50% of 
  the time? Your right...sounds> > > pretty ordinary...i want 
  something that works 90% and makes> 10/1 reward> > > to 
  risk..  :-)> > >> > > Adrian> > 
  >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > 
  From: M. Simms [mailto:prosys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > > > Sent: 
  Tuesday, 16 July 2002 7:10 AM> > > > To: 
  realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Subject: RE: [RT] John 
  Murphy notes: the market isn't "cheap"> > > >> > 
  > >> > > > WARNING, WARNING....John is getting pretty 
  old and so are his> > > > techniques.....> > > 
  >> > > > backtesting Head and Shoulders patterns shows no 
  better than> > > > a 50% prediction of significant, tradeable 
  bottom or top.> > > > Many fantastic "reversal" rallies have 
  emanated from the> neckline....> > > >> > 
  > > GOTTA DO YOUR HOMEWORK, John....and less appearances !> > 
  > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > > From: 
  Gary Funck [mailto:gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx]> > > > > Sent: 
  Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:02 PM> > > > > To: 
  Realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx Com> > > > > Subject: [RT] John 
  Murphy notes: the market isn't "cheap"> > > > >> 
  > > > >> > > > >> > > > 
  >> > > > > <A 
  href="http://www.murphymorris.com/affiliate/market_watch.html";>http://www.murphymorris.com/affiliate/market_watch.html> 
  > > > >> > > > > John Murphy's Market 
  Watch> > > > >> > > > > by Mr. John 
  Murphy, President of MURPHYMORRIS.COM> > > > >> > 
  > > > Sat, July 13, 2002 - HEAD AND SHOULDERS TOP?> > > 
  > > WHAT IS IT?... Quoting from the Glossary in my book> > 
  > > Technical Analysis> > > > > of the Financial 
  Markets: "A head and shoulders top is the> > > > best 
  known> > > > > of the reversal> > > > > 
  patterns. At a market top, three prominent peaks are formed with> > 
  > > > the middle> > > > > peak (or head) slightly 
  higher than the other two peaks> > > > > (shoulders). When 
  the> > > > > trendline (neckline) connecting the two 
  intervening troughs> > > > is broken, the> > > 
  > > pattern is complete." While most major averages show a 
  similar> > > > > pattern, we're> > > > > 
  using the NYSE Composite Index for illustration purposes because> > 
  > > > we believe it> > > > > probably gives the 
  best overall measure of the state of the> > > > > "market". 
  There's> > > > > no question that the chart has the look of 
  a "head and shoulders"> > > > > top. The two> > 
  > > > "shoulders" were formed during 1998 and 2002. The "head" 
  formed> > > > > during 2000.> > > > > 
  The "neckline" is drawn under the 1998-2001 reaction lows.> > > 
  > As of Friday's> > > > > close, the neckline is already 
  been pierced on the downside, but> > > > > not by 
  much.> > > > > There are two other support levels that bear 
  watching. The> > > > first is the> > > > > 
  intra-day low hit last fall (which is at 494). The second (and> > 
  > > > more important)> > > > > is the late 1998 
  low at 463. Friday's close was only a> > > > shade below 
  last> > > > > September's low, but not by enough to call 
  this a clear breakdown> > > > > -- at least> > 
  > > > not yet. Regarding the breaking of the "neckline", there's also 
  a> > > > > 3% rule which> > > > > comes 
  into play at major chart points. That means that the> > > > 
  > neckline needs to be> > > > > broken by at least 3% 
  before we can call it a "major" breakdown.> > > > > We may 
  get> > > > > there (about 485), but we're not there yet. 
  Unless the market> > > > > attempts a rally> > 
  > > > soon, however, a breakdown could be imminent, which 
  could> > > > carry the market> > > > > 
  lower into the September/October period.> > > > > 
  [...]> > > > > THE MARKET ISN'T CHEAP... The purpose of 
  looking at the long-term> > > > > charts isn't> > 
  > > > to scare anyone. Our main goal is to show that this 
  market> > > > isn't cheap. In> > > > > 
  fact, it's still historically very high. We've expressed the view> > 
  > > > several times> > > > > before that we 
  believe the twenty-year bull cycle has ended. That> > > > > 
  means the> > > > > current bear market could last longer -- 
  and fall much further --> > > > > than most> > 
  > > > people realize. We don't know how low it can go. It's 
  the> > > > direction that> > > > > matters 
  most -- not the actual numbers. The "head and shoulders"> > > 
  > > tops shown in> > > > > the preceding charts is 
  another warning that things could> > > > still get a 
  lot> > > > > worse. As the message is finally getting 
  across to the public> > > > > that this bear> > 
  > > > market is indeed different from those in the recent 
  past,> > > > mutual fund> > > > > 
  redemptions are starting. Imagine what could happen when the> > > 
  > > public finally> > > > > decides to start 
  selling.> > > > >> > > > >> > 
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