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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Pitt" <apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> David,
>
> Of course you find my tone irritating....it only proves my point. And
> so did the
> JPg's you posted. You proved it exactly....thank god for people like
> you, because its people
> Like me who remain open minded and capable of learning from others that
> enables me fill my bank account from yours :-)
>
> Adrian
>
> PS The book is available if you want. You've only proven to me your
> too stubborn and egotistical to admit your wrong. Hmmm...what do they
> say about accepting ones losses quickly? :-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Jennings [mailto:davidjennings@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 10:44 PM
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> >
> >
> > I find your tone irritating however, see the attached!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adrian Pitt" <apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> >
> >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > It's a shame, but you should almost never believe what
> > someone tells
> > > you unless you can confirm it for yourself or they can
> > define on what
> > > basis they make their statement.
> > >
> > > The first place I looked for the book....AMAZON...and where
> > else would
> > > you go as a first guess?..its says its ships in 8-14
> > days...no mention
> > > of being out of print or out of stock. There are also
> > copies second
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > I hope you research your trades better :-)
> > >
> > > Adrian
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Jennings [mailto:davidjennings@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 8:28 PM
> > > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Out of print I'm told. Looks like I'll have to stick to Miner.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Adrian Pitt" <apitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:18 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Earl,
> > > > >
> > > > > Miners work is good, but his EW is fairly simplistic, but
> > > > he does put
> > > > > it into a form that can be used by traders. If anyone
> > > > truly wants to
> > > > > understand markets better and apply Elliott Wave in a far more
> > > > > accurate and scientific way there is ONLY ONE SOURCE of good
> > > > > information. and that's Glen Neely's book. I STRONGLY WARN
> > > > > readers though not to bother With it unless EWT really
> > takes your
> > > > > interest. It's a big book and EVERY PAGE
> > > > > has critical information on it, so lots of learning and
> > > > practicing. But
> > > > > it
> > > > > works, impeccably. Its not a book about trading though,
> > > > only accurate
> > > > > wave
> > > > > reading.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adrian
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Earl Adamy [mailto:eadamy@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2002 1:46 AM
> > > > > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you make two valid points: know how to do the counts
> > > > > > yourself and be able to control/apply your own counts
> > > > when you don't
> > > > > > like the automated counts. I highly recommend the
> > simplified EW
> > > > > > approach used by Robert Miner in his Dynamic Trader book
> > > > ($100 with
> > > > > > full money back guarantee at
> > > > > > www.dynamictraders.com) ... I don't use the DT3 software. I'm
> > > > > > not familiar with EW3 (I did have WinWaves and didn't
> > care for
> > > > > > it), however AGet which I use, allows one to control counts to
> > > > a limited
> > > > > > degree (short term, aggressive, regular, long term, plus
> > > > localize)
> > > > > > ... as a last resort I just turn the EW counts off and
> > > > apply my own
> > > > > > labels.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "wavemechanic" <wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:28 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Karen Beckwith
> > > > > > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:16 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > > Looking for a holy grail? Have u ever looked into the EW3
> > > > > > (Elliott Wave)
> > > > > > software? I can't find anyone who uses it, but it
> > > > sounds awfully
> > > > > > good.
> > > > > > Anyone here familiar w/ EW3?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have not used EWII but did use the previous version
> > > > > > WinWaves, and EWII is supposed to have a better
> > analysis engine.
> > > > However, a
> > > > > > couple of thoughts. What is the correct count?
> > There are many
> > > > > > counts and in the last analysis the only one that is
> > > > right is yours.
> > > > > > So being able to do your own count is important, and the
> > > > software is
> > > > > > a tool to increase your efficiency and, perhaps, help
> > you over
> > > > > > the rough spots. Having said that, one important
> > feature that I
> > > > > > would be sure to have is the ability to input my
> > count and see
> > > > > > how it plays. Most EW programs do not have this
> > option, but if
> > > > > > I recall correctly ELWave does. FWIW.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > best wishes,
> > > > > > karen
> > > > > > ps - May the force be with you.
> > > > > > :>)
> > > > > > :>)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "jeff97_98_1998" <jprroth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [RT] Re: forecasting-track record
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "If one tries to fight these forces they will be
> > > > destroyed. If one
> > > > > > > can unite and redirect these forces to
> > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
> > quite swiftly."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds like a re-run of Kung Fu.
> > > > > > > Grasshopper, my son, be of unity with the universe.
> > > > > > > Now catch this fly in my soup.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please enlighten me, how does one unite and
> > redirect these
> > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > ones advantage?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do I redirect a drought in the midwest,
> > terrorist attack
> > > > > > crashing
> > > > > > > the S & P , lumber import regulations vs.
> > canadian exports?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fundamentals, schmundamentals, blah, blah.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have the force, the unity, the polarity...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Beam me up Scotty, for I have discovered how markets
> > > > > > > work, yet I waste my time trolling for fish.
> > > > > > > Why is that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, "Norman Winski"
> > <nwinski@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reinar,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From one sailor to another, when one's sailboat hits
> > > > > > a sand bar,
> > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > called running a ground and that's not a good thing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know it's time for me to take a vacation.
> > Your sailing
> > > > > > metaphor
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > starting to make sense to me.<G> Seriously, I
> > agree that
> > > > > > sailing
> > > > > > > is a good
> > > > > > > > analogy for trading, but not for the reasons you
> > > > have stated. I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > sailing is a good analogy for trading because
> > in order to be
> > > > > > > successful, one
> > > > > > > > must join with the huge natural forces at work. If
> > > > one tries to
> > > > > > > fight these
> > > > > > > > forces they will be destroyed. If one can unite and
> > > > redirect
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > forces to
> > > > > > > > ones advantage, one should be able to progress
> > > > quite swiftly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gann fans - the ideal position to attain maximum
> > > > speed is to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > the sail
> > > > > > > > at a 45 degree angle to the wind.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nautically,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Norman
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "reinar2020" <reinar2020@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <realtraders@xxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:33 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] forecasting-track record
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Elk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not only will I continue to use sailing as a
> > > > metaphor but I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > expand the use. There are several reasons.
> > Selling to "the
> > > > > > > traders"
> > > > > > > > > market is too limiting and more imortant.... If
> > > > you can think
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > sailor you can think like a profitable trader......
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you have ever been sailing you would know that
> > > > it is kind
> > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > zen like experience where you have a very specific
> > > > > > focus. All the
> > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > that is provided by the media etc is gone.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are other advantages. Any monkey can draw
> > > > an Andrews
> > > > > > line
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > if you read his totally incomplete "free" 60 page
> > > > lit.... at
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > time there are at least 20 or so that come in
> > > > tomorrow. So
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > ones do you use? Rather than take the standard
> > > > approach of
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > the lines .....let get overwhelmed with stuff that is
> > > > > > useless.....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will focus upon about 3 kinds of sand bars
> > and a marker.
> > > > > > > > > I did something similar in Vienna seminars and the
> > > > > > sucess rate of
> > > > > > > > > the students over a long time period was very high.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Focus upon the chicken ( the end result.. you
> > > > really want )
> > > > > > not on
> > > > > > > > > the eggs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We look for 4 things...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1) sand bars (support and resistance lines)
> > where prices
> > > > > > stop for
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > bar or 2 and then go through
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2) sand bars where prices go through and then go
> > > > back to it to
> > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > it before continuing in the proper direction
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (the above are very handy for adding on positions
> > > > or getting
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > definable risk....the other side of the sand bar line)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3) and finally sand bars that are likely to produce a
> > > > > > tradeable
> > > > > > > > > pivot ....like i pointed out on thursday in an
> > > > email I sent
> > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4) and then how to find markers (probable future
> > > > pivot points)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now instead of learning how to draw all of those
> > > > silly lines
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > learned how to draw lines that produced the above
> > > > > > .......wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > Andrews really work .....and very easily at that?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh by the way did you ever learn what the Andrews
> > > > "ROS" line
> > > > > > was?
> > > > > > > > > Hint....its a sand bar.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > R
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In realtraders@xxxx, Infernal Elk
> > <infernalelk@xxxx>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> John either you are blind or you faded
> > the forecast.
> > > > > > > > > > >> ...or does north mean go short to you?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> R
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > maybe if you spoke in market terms rather
> > than cryptic
> > > > > > pseudo-
> > > > > > > > > poetic
> > > > > > > > > > "nautical" terms, people would understand you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > if your desire is to communicate, then do so
> > > > CLEARLY. if
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > desire
> > > > > > > > > > is to tease and to draw people in to buy
> > your product
> > > > > > you'll do
> > > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > to speak clearly as well.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > we're not sailors. we're traders.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - *lk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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