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Jim - do you have any further research references that indicate :
EXACTLY HOW SHORT OF A HOLDING PERIOD is optimal ?
and of course, based on that HOLDING PERIOD, which should be equivalent to
the AVG. LENGTH OF TRADE,
what is the BAR INTERVAL that is best for that length. Once this is
determined,
then implied is the vital LENGTH OF TRADE to BAR INTERVAL ratio.
What I am getting at is this:
if your trades are averaging 21 trading hours or so,
should the trader be using 15 min, 30 min, 1 hour, bars, or which ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim White [mailto:jwhite43@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:51 PM
> To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?
>
>
> Unfortunately Norman, the data does not agree. Research has shown tha ROI
> decreases with holding period - so taking quick profits and
> compounding the
> results is the way to maximize profits. The data is sighted in "A Random
> Walk Down Wall Street", page 404. Of course you need a trading
> methodology
> to reliably capture the short term moves.
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim White" <jwhite43@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?
> >
> >
> > > I have followed the discussion on Hurst cycles with silence but now I
> > > believe it is time to speak up.
> > > The Hurst book actually has some very significant content however his
> > basic
> > > premise has been proven to be incorrect. Hurst presents several
> statements
> > > with out verification. For example " The impact of wars, global
> financial
> > > crisis, and all other similar events on market price action is utterly
> > > negligible." It has been shown through the application of
> chaotic models
> > > that these impulses do have an impact although they are
> limited in their
> > > duration.
> > > The use of static cycles to forecast future price movement is also
> doomed
> > to
> > > failure. There have been many attempts to duplicate and forecast price
> > > action with composite static cycles and all have failed simply because
> the
> > > market is not composed of static cycles. Even an attempt to determine
> the
> > > current dominant cycles will fail because the cycles will
> change due to
> > > lateset conditions. The new information may or may not be in the
> direction
> > > of the old cycles.A much more likely composition, also supported by
> > studies
> > > of chaotic models, is that the market is composed of dynamic
> cycles with
> > > diminishing amplitude. Since these cycles are always changing, due to
> the
> > > latest impulse to impact the market, they are predictable only in the
> very
> > > short term. The real value of Hurst's work is to show that profits are
> > > maximized by short term trading.
> > > Jim White
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I was going to stay out of this until your last statement ". The real
> value
> > of Hurst's work is to show that profits are > maximized by short term
> > trading." Most of the studies I have seen indicate that the more you
> trade
> > the greater your risk of ruin. Each time you trade you take a risk. The
> more
> > you trade, the greater the risk. Very few of the really big traders -
> > investors such as George Soros or Warren Buffett made their money doing
> alot
> > of short term trades. The big money is made riding the big moves and not
> > getting in and out. Some of the saviest traders I met during my Chicago
> days
> > made their big money on a few big moves. The short term
> trading was just
> > rent money. I propose to ammend the above statement to read, "...that
> > brokers profits are maximized by short term trading."
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Clyde Lee" <clydelee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?
> > >
> > >
> > > > More likely the parameters for generation of the prediction of
> > > > the cycle were wrong.
> > > >
> > > > We will have to wait for the Centered Moving Averages to catch
> > > > up with the data to make the kind of judgment you have made
> > > > with insufficient data.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, the REALTIME values for the Hurst channels are an
> > > > ATTEMPT to predict what the real values of the CMAs will be
> > > > and that ATTEMPT to estimate can be really wrong at times.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone needs to understand that the attempt to estimate the
> > > > realtime CMA values is strictly that -- an attempt. Currently we
> > > > are using classical Fourier analysis and have limited ourselves
> > > > to only 3 components to construct envelopes. We may be
> > > > using too many or too few -- at this stage in development I
> > > > do not have a good feeling of what it takes to better match the
> > > > eventual values of the CMAs but you can bet we are still
> > > > working on it.
> > > >
> > > > Clyde
> > > >
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "bondo92677" <bruce.larson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:25 PM
> > > > Subject: [RT] What happened to the Hurst cycle?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I guess we fell into the 10% of the time its wrong.
> > > > >
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