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I agree. I ALWAYS assume someone is reading what I
send, no matter what format, even encrypted can be viewed by law
enforcement.
Remember Ruby Ridge,
Good luck and good trading, or as Norman would
say...Paranoidaly.
Ray Raffurty
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<A title=watnetd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:watnetd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Daniel Watkins
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:26
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Subject: Re: [RT] chat room
so what ? who cares whether someone listens in ?
there are financial chatgroups all over the place, many free ones. anyone
can join here fairlyeasily.dw/h1On Wed, 24 Apr 2002,
Kent Rollins wrote:> Wrong. Anyone who reads the RFC on the
IRC protocol and is a reasonably> adept programmer can write an app to
receive all IRC traffic and filter and> sort it as they wish. You
don't have to do a man-in-the-middle packet> interception. Bob,
you're not trying to mislead people. You know as well> as anyone
that all IRC traffic can easily be intercepted.>> I repeat my
warning: anyone using IRC should always assume they are not>
alone.>> Kent>>> ----- Original Message
-----> From: <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002
6:09 PM> Subject: Re: [RT] chat room>>> Not quite
true. Undernet, (for instance), has 34 servers located all>
around the world. If a person wanted to "listen in" to the chat from
one> channel, they would have to "sniff" the traffic coming over that
server and> there would be hundreds of thousands of messages or lines
which would be> sent to our 22,000 channels by individuals. The
"sniffer" would then have> to find just the lines of traffic that were
generated in one individual> channel which would be .. well, it would
be time consuming to the> extreme. Now, add to this mix the fact
that members would not all be on> the same server but might sign on to
any of those 34 servers and you would> have to sniff them all and piece
the traffic together for the single chat> channel in order so they
would make sense. Add to this that the only> people with core
access to the server are the server admins who happen to> work at the
mostly ISP's that donate bandwidth and the problem is no longer> a
problem, it is simply and purely, impossible. ie: No one can
see> channel chat unless they are in the channel and we control who
that is.>> Last, IF Interpol could get search warrants and court
orders in affect for> all the European, U.S. and Canadian server owners
to cause them to search> every tiny packet of data flowing over all 34
servers and IF that data> could then be compiled into a cohesive flow
of data flowing to/from one> channel segment and if all this was
arranged prior to the hour/day they> wanted to see what was being said,
it IS possible. But then, so is an end> to income tax in the U.S.
and democrats leading the effort to cancel> them.
:)))>> Bob>> At 04:27 PM 4/24/2002 -0400, you
wrote:> >mIRC does work on Windows NT and 2K. IRC is a great
way to pass the day> for> >anyone who has not tried
it.> >> >I strongly caution everyone however: IRC
communications are NOT PRIVATE.> >Even if you set up a private chat
room or a private channel between> yourself> >and someone
else, all IRC communications can easily be intercepted without>
>your knowledge. Always assume that someone else is listening while
you are> >on IRC.> >> >Kent> >>
>> >----- Original Message -----> >From:
<bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> >Sent: Wednesday, April 24,
2002 4:21 PM> >Subject: [RT] chat room> >>
>> >> >I am just beginning a thread on the topic of a
chat room for the group. I> >don't know how many of you are on
Irc or have been on Irc but it is> >Internet Relay Chat and there
are several chat networks. I help run one of> >the largest,
(it may be the largest now, I don't keep track), which is>
>Undernet. For those who don't know, to use Irc, one has to have a
chat> >program and the most popular of these is mIRC which runs on
all windows> >versions. (Not positive about NT but I believe
it's ok too).> >> >If we set up a chat room, we could type
back and forth live and exchange> >ideas in real time. For
those who are full time traders, this might be an> >excellent way to
get new ideas as things happen. (Or for those who can be> >on
the internet at work and want to keep an eye on things).> >>
>I'm about to leave my Florida home for my place in Tennessee so I won't
be> >able to organize this for a little bit but if there is
sufficient interest,> >I'll put out some more details on where to
get the mIRC chat program free,> >how to set it up and how to get to
the undernet and then to our channel we> >would establish
there. We would be able to block anyone we don't want in> >the
channel or to remove anyone who is being crude, rude or whatever.
Just> >an idea to extend our sharing of ideas.> >>
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