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Ok Kent. I've been an Irc Operator and administrator on Irc for 9
years. I have assisted with the coding for many of the features in Irc and
have met the developer of mIRC, Kahled Mardam-Bey, several times on line
and he has accepted my invitation to be a speaker on our network three
times. I have worked with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies for
various purposes on network traffic issues numerous times. What you say is
impossible to do and everything in my post on this topic is correct, which
if you ask any network server owner, he/she will substantiate. Even so, I
defer to you.
I wish you well and am equally certain that you do not intend to deceive
anyone and that you believe what you have stated.
Bob
At 06:17 PM 4/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Wrong. Anyone who reads the RFC on the IRC protocol and is a reasonably
>adept programmer can write an app to receive all IRC traffic and filter and
>sort it as they wish. You don't have to do a man-in-the-middle packet
>interception. Bob, you're not trying to mislead people. You know as well
>as anyone that all IRC traffic can easily be intercepted.
>
>I repeat my warning: anyone using IRC should always assume they are not
>alone.
>
>Kent
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [RT] chat room
>
>
>Not quite true. Undernet, (for instance), has 34 servers located all
>around the world. If a person wanted to "listen in" to the chat from one
>channel, they would have to "sniff" the traffic coming over that server and
>there would be hundreds of thousands of messages or lines which would be
>sent to our 22,000 channels by individuals. The "sniffer" would then have
>to find just the lines of traffic that were generated in one individual
>channel which would be .. well, it would be time consuming to the
>extreme. Now, add to this mix the fact that members would not all be on
>the same server but might sign on to any of those 34 servers and you would
>have to sniff them all and piece the traffic together for the single chat
>channel in order so they would make sense. Add to this that the only
>people with core access to the server are the server admins who happen to
>work at the mostly ISP's that donate bandwidth and the problem is no longer
>a problem, it is simply and purely, impossible. ie: No one can see
>channel chat unless they are in the channel and we control who that is.
>
>Last, IF Interpol could get search warrants and court orders in affect for
>all the European, U.S. and Canadian server owners to cause them to search
>every tiny packet of data flowing over all 34 servers and IF that data
>could then be compiled into a cohesive flow of data flowing to/from one
>channel segment and if all this was arranged prior to the hour/day they
>wanted to see what was being said, it IS possible. But then, so is an end
>to income tax in the U.S. and democrats leading the effort to cancel
>them. :)))
>
>Bob
>
>At 04:27 PM 4/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >mIRC does work on Windows NT and 2K. IRC is a great way to pass the day
>for
> >anyone who has not tried it.
> >
> >I strongly caution everyone however: IRC communications are NOT PRIVATE.
> >Even if you set up a private chat room or a private channel between
>yourself
> >and someone else, all IRC communications can easily be intercepted without
> >your knowledge. Always assume that someone else is listening while you are
> >on IRC.
> >
> >Kent
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <bobskc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:21 PM
> >Subject: [RT] chat room
> >
> >
> >
> >I am just beginning a thread on the topic of a chat room for the group. I
> >don't know how many of you are on Irc or have been on Irc but it is
> >Internet Relay Chat and there are several chat networks. I help run one of
> >the largest, (it may be the largest now, I don't keep track), which is
> >Undernet. For those who don't know, to use Irc, one has to have a chat
> >program and the most popular of these is mIRC which runs on all windows
> >versions. (Not positive about NT but I believe it's ok too).
> >
> >If we set up a chat room, we could type back and forth live and exchange
> >ideas in real time. For those who are full time traders, this might be an
> >excellent way to get new ideas as things happen. (Or for those who can be
> >on the internet at work and want to keep an eye on things).
> >
> >I'm about to leave my Florida home for my place in Tennessee so I won't be
> >able to organize this for a little bit but if there is sufficient interest,
> >I'll put out some more details on where to get the mIRC chat program free,
> >how to set it up and how to get to the undernet and then to our channel we
> >would establish there. We would be able to block anyone we don't want in
> >the channel or to remove anyone who is being crude, rude or whatever. Just
> >an idea to extend our sharing of ideas.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
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