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 Hey Chaos Fans,
 
  Here is a link to the Santa Fe Institute and 
several of their research papers. 
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href="http://netec.wustl.edu/BibEc/data/fthsantaf.html";>http://netec.wustl.edu/BibEc/data/fthsantaf.html
 
Chaotically,
Norman
 
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  Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 9:11 
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  Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RT] List 
  description: interrogatories
  
  Tom,
  The application of the science of chaos to 
  analysis of financial markets has shown them to be resemble chaotic systems. 
  As such , they have limited memory and are subject to new influences. From a 
  predictive standpoint, this implies they are forecastable only over the short 
  term since new, unforcastable events will influence future movements.As 
  chaotic systems, markets should be described as non linear systems rather than 
  the linear approach that static cycle analysis infers.
  If you want to learn more, I have some papers on 
  my site at PivotTradwer.com which should be of interest.
  Jim White
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    Tom 
    Bowen 
    To: <A 
    title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    
    Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:18 
    PM
    Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RT] List 
    description: interrogatories
    
    Kent,
     
    Honest questions derived from professional 
    curiosity and a sincere desire to improve all our trading 
    skills, no intent other than what is clearly stated below is implied or 
    should be perceived.
     
    You said "IN REALITY, the markets are totally 
    chaotic".
    Do you believe the markets are totally random 
    and contain no patterned behavior ?
    I believe a detailed study of 
    the historical price activity of each market does reveal a 
    definitive patterned and predictive behavior for that specific 
    market.
     
    You said "You will never become a professional 
    trader by drawing geometric patterns on charts".
    Did you believe there is no geometry involved 
    in market price behavior ?
    I believe that a detailed study of the 
    geometrical behavior of historical price activity for any given market does 
    reveal geometric patterns that can be extremely powerful in predicting 
    future price activity behavior for the specific market being 
    studied. 
     
    I would be extremely interested in opening 
    a dialog with you via the list as I believe we could explore these 
    positions/beliefs to the benefit of ourselves and many of the 
    other subscribers to the list.
     
    God Bless and best wishes in all your future 
    endeavors,Tom
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      Kent 
      Rollins 
      To: <A 
      title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      
      Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:32 
      AM
      Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RT] List 
      description: interrogatories
      Good point on the methods discussed on this list.  
      And I think that does thenewbies on the list a disservice.  As 
      humans, our brains want to formpatterns and see the market respond to 
      pleasant shapes like squares andgentle waves.  IN REALITY, the 
      markets are totally chaotic.  You will neverbecome a professional 
      trader by drawing geometric patterns on charts.  Butnewbies don't 
      know this.  They think that mystical methods have merit.  
      Thislist doesn't exist to disabuse newbies of that notion, but more 
      and more itexists to promote those methods.  And like you said, 
      most of the quants aregone.List often do have agendas that are 
      not spelled out.  And the fact that Markattacked BobsKC for being 
      a vendor and now BobsKC is the 
      activemoderator....Kent----- Original Message 
      -----From: "ztrader" <ztrader@xxxxxxxxx>To: 
      <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:41 
      AMSubject: Re[2]: [RT] List description: 
      interrogatoriesKR> Not a list where anyone with an email 
      account tosses outKR> completely hypothetical crap about what the 
      market may or may notKR> do over a hypothetical timeframe.  
      How about you?It may have to do with how people on this list 
      think. I seem to detecta strong bias against quantitative methods, and 
      an open-arms receptionto mystical methods. There is *very* little 
      hard-nosed quantitativediscussion on this list, and most of the 
      'quants' are gone, some bybeing banned. It seems that this attitude is 
      desired by the members,and is not likely to change.Lists 
      generally have agendas that are NOT spelled out in thedescription, and 
      it is these hidden agendas that seem to cause 
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