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Bob,
You have my unconditional support.
The list definitely needs to be cleaned up and
return to trading discussions.
I have also routed quant, ric and a couple of
others permanently to the delete bin.
Email message rules are wonderful.
God Bless and best wishes in all your future
endeavors,Tom
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BobsKC
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:37
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Until The Quants of The
Board Are Gone
I have exchanged mail with the list moderator and he has
stated that life and travel has kept him from doing much with the real
traders list. I have offered to take the moderator job since he is
too busy for it. I told him that my idea was to have a "board" or
team of a few of the older list members who would decide if any rules need
added/deleted/changed and would further decide if anyone should be removed
from the list.I currently handle several mail lists as owner/moderator
and as I am not employed outside trading, (sold my businesses in '97), I
have the time to take care of the list if there are no
objections.You can mail your thoughts/support/complaints about this
idea to George at rtmoderator@xxxxxxxxx or to me directly, if you
wish. (I do have mail routed to dev nul from thequaint and ric
ingrem .. or whatever their names are), but would be pleased to hear your
thoughts and ideas as to how we can keep our list together and keep the
people on it who contribute the most.We really need to get our list
under control again.. .. It's a great group of people here but the
constant discourtesy and psychological nonsense needs to go away and be
replaced with consideration for others while sharing ideas and formulas
for success.BobAt 03:52 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you
wrote:>This List Will Die.>>Hello Quant and
All,>>This is living proof you have nothing to offer.No answer
to two easy>questions. No..the Quant is above that.>>The
time it takes reading your response and your writing it would>take more
time than for you to tell how you would do it. That tells>me reams.You
do not know how to do it.!>>No one should be subject to your
abuse; especially steady>contributors like Ira and
others>>If you think I did not know all of the negative aspects
about the>systems you mentioned and their creators, you are dreaming.
They did>well for a period and then flopped. All of a sudden the
creators>became scammers and were regulated and fined. Tell me
something I did>not know.I dropped them when they stopped performing
not because of>some regulatory article. You probably took the extra
time to respond>to me to search your archives on how to
respond.>>Whatever "qualifications I threw around" were
accurate compared to>what you provide [which is zero]. You never
offer any qualifications>even if asked and all you do is club away at
your keyboard like the>cavceman you call me..>>I think
you must have come from the Omega group because that is the>way you
act.>>And the reason you can not elucidate what you have done is
probably>that! all you do is critique and do searches which takes most
of your>time.>>I would ask of you the same questions
about testing and you would not>answer in an hour ,let alone a minute.
I have done everything from>double blind testing to beta testing and
hired the right people for>one minute trading resolution and more. Once
again you elude>answering two simple questions by
attacking.>>I had an idea that this could once again
become a forum to express>and retrieve knowledge...but with you on this
list that will never>happen.>>So drudge away in your make
believe world that you are some superstar>of trading with no at bats
ever posted nor any batting average>logically.In that way no one can
assess YOUR credentials.>>I will continue to post but never
respond to you or yours until you>come to your senses. As a fact you
show signs and aymptoms of mental>disease in your posts. Symptoms like
these generally run in the>family tree--like inbreeding. You should
seek help.>>Having said all that, I would add I too feel very
good about myself>and pity you. A babe in the woods I am not and that
is a real laugh.>>I have just satisfied myself that I have
flushed you out like the>farce you are and not worth any more than a
nanosecond of my time in>the
future.>>Dispassionately,>>John>>>------------------
Reply Separator -------------------->Originally From: TheQuant
<thequant@xxxxxxxxx>>Subject: Re: [RT] Time and Motion
Trading>Date: 04/02/2002 02:04pm>>>Hello
John,>>JC> If you can respond to the two items
below in a non sarcastic and>JC> hamanitarian way
I would join QUANT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in a
NY>JC> minute.Otherwise my wife is telling me I am spending too much
time>JC> on you. And you KNOW she may be right I do
BELIEVE.>>It is very hard to communicate to a cave man that
world in not flat.>But I will try and not punish you out of my
frustration, that is wrong>and I apologize in advance just in
case.>>JC> Dear Quant,>>JC> Two
items:>>JC> 1. How would you do it? An answer and
not another critique would>JC> be appreciated.>>JC>
2. I am told by those more astute than I with
the TS that the>JC> latest model backtests with I minute
resolution. I have seen such>JC> backtesting correlate with realtime
results whether good or bad.>>Honestly it would be a waste
of my time and effort to try and educate>you any further on
the subject of trading. When I read below who and>what you
think are usable systems. Plus the
credibility of the>purveyors associated with
those two systems. I would say that
the>qualifications you once threw around here
as many others have mean>absolutely nothing but evidence of
a lack of knowledge in this field>which I so arrogantly
reside.>>JC> I am glad you know I am not a
scammer but a seeker of the truth>JC> which often
comes by hypothesizing and testing. Forward testing>JC> tells
me a lot more than backtesting.>>I have a full minute tell
everything you know about testing? Did you>do it somewhere
professionally where they paid your for your research?>>JC>
So far you know what I do and how I run my portfolio and my
good>JC> and bad mechanical trading years [Master Suite, Dual
Thrust, etc].>>Master Suite - if the name alone doesn't scream
at you SCAM! Then>perhaps the government can educate you
better.><A
href="http://www.cftc.gov/ogc/oporders99/ogcr_wtechnical031699.htm";>http://www.cftc.gov/ogc/oporders99/ogcr_wtechnical031699.htm>>Dual
Thrust - another systems by another scammer. Find the
information>on tHE NFA web site. Also note that the
Dual Thrust web site claims>they have a mechanical
system, but it's not good enough to trade so>they want to trade your
account using their discretion, funny stuff.>>BASIC
Narrative>UNIVERSAL TECHNICAL SYSTEM INC>NFA ID
0090343>NFA Case No. 87BCC00034>>CHALEK, MICHAEL EDWARD
0101247 0090343>><A
href="http://www.nfa.futures.org/basic/text.asp?";>http://www.nfa.futures.org/basic/text.asp?>ref=87BCC00034&nfaid=0090343&name=UNIVERSAL+TECHNICAL+SYSTEM+INC&contr>ib=NFA>>Tuesday,
April 02, 2002987, THE CENTRAL REGIONAL BUSINESS
CONDUCT>COMMITTEE ISSUED A COMPLAINT AGAINST MICHAEL E. CHALEK
("CHALEK"). THE>COMPLAINT ALLEGES
THAT CHALEK USED DECEPTIVE AND
MISLEADING>PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL IN VIOLATION OF NFA
COMPLIANCE RULE 2-29(B)(2);>USED PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL WHICH
FAILED TO MENTION THE RISK OF LOSS IN>VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE
2-29(B)(3); USED PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL>WHICH FAILED TO MENTION THAT PAST
PROFITS ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE>RESULTS IN
VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE
2-29(B)(5); USED>PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL
WHICH CONTAINED MISSTATEMENTS OF FACT
IN>VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-2(A) AND 2-29(B)(2); AND
FAILED TO>SUPERVISE HIS EMPLOYEES IN THE
CONDUCT OF THEIR COMMODITY FUTURES>ACTIVITIES IN
VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-9. DECISION:
ON>NOVEMBER 23, 1987, THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE ACCEPTED
CHALEK'S OFFER OF>SETTLEMENT AND AUTHORIZED THE
ISSUANCE OF A DECISION. THE DECISION>DIRECTED CHALEK
TO CEASE AND DESIST FROM FURTHER VIOLATIONS OF
NFA>REQUIREMENTS AND TO PAY A FINE OF $10,000.>>JC>
But what do you do and what have you done.>>Why would I need to
tell you? I feel good about myself already!>>JC> Still
sincerely,>>JC> John>>You are a babe in the
woods John.>>>>>-->Best
regards,>
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